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Irony Meter Explodes as Migrants Lured TO Florida for Hurricane Ian Cleanup
https://www.thedailybeast.com/irony-meter-explodes-as-migrants-lured-to-florida-for-hurricane-ian-cleanupMigrants are reportedly being transported from New York City to Florida for work supporting cleanup efforts in the wake of Hurricane Ian—weeks after the governor put migrants on a flight to Martha’s Vineyard. Over the weekend, scores of Venezuelan migrants were boarding vans heading to the Sunshine State from a pickup point in Queens, despite having little information about who they would be working for, the New York Post says. “They want us for hurricane cleanup, we’d get paid $15 an hour, overtime and $15 for food daily, I think,” Javier Moreno, 37, told the paper, adding that a woman named Camila “from an organization” approached him with a flier about the work. “I'm going for the work,” Moreno added. News of their journey south comes after Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis controversially flew migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard to protest the “hypocrisy” of the Biden administration’s border policies.
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https://nypost.com/2022/10/02/nyc-migrants-pile-into-vans-they-say-are-headed-to-florida-for-hurricane-ian-cleanup/
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Ritabert
(1,684 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)That's often how news is reported, especially as an event is occurring. If you completely dismiss every story that starts out that way, you will only be aware of the events that have long since transpired. I'm not saying take it as undeniable truth, but rather to take it with a grain of salt and be open to confirmation as it comes in.
ancianita
(42,097 posts)Post checking the company behind the pickups of Manhattan workers...
He said he was under contract with a water and debris company. The firm did not answer its phone despite repeated attempts to call by The Post.
Firsthand quotes.
A spokesperson for Mayor Eric Adams said City Hall was not involved in the transport of any migrants. Florida officials did not return requests for comment.
Not saying you're wrong about the Post, either, but at this time, there's no other on the scene media coverage.
ancianita
(42,097 posts)Post checking the company behind the pickups of Manhattan workers...
He said he was under contract with a water and debris company. The firm did not answer its phone despite repeated attempts to call by The Post.
Firsthand quotes.
A spokesperson for Mayor Eric Adams said City Hall was not involved in the transport of any migrants. Florida officials did not return requests for comment.
Not saying you're wrong about the Post, either, but at this time, there's no other on the scene media coverage.
blm
(114,322 posts)was thousands of undocumented workers who greatly helped the region back on its feet in record time.
DeSantis and Abbott refuse to understand REAL history.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)But somehow that's completely different.
cannabis_flower
(3,909 posts)That they did it legally. But at that time there were no immigration laws , anyone could come. But there really shouldn’t be any quotas. Anyone should be able to come if they aren’t criminals.
dalton99a
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Wounded Bear
(63,119 posts)
(It's the NYPost. Do we trust it?
)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,288 posts)Reconstruction work after Katrina is going to be costly - and highly lucrative. Oliver Morgan reports
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2005/sep/11/hurricanekatrina.usnews2
magicarpet
(18,456 posts)... unless he can exploit their labor.
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)Agriculture, meat processing, landscape maintenance. The hard physical stuff that few Americans are willling to do.
SergeStorms
(19,795 posts)Whenever I hear those reich-wing mutants talking about how those "illegals" are taking jobs away from red-blooded 'Murkins I want to scream.
Americans are too lazy and spoiled to do the work these immigrants do. Most won't get out of bed for $15 hr., let alone do the dirty, back breaking labor these people do.
What's more, the republican owners of these companies court these workers, otherwise they'd have no one to work in the slaughter houses and meat packing jobs. They'd have no one to plant or pick crops, because red-blooded 'Murkins WILL NOT DO THOSE JOBS.
These people should be treated with a lot more dignity and respect by red-blooded 'Murkins, but they heap nothing but abuse and disdain upon them.
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)Also picked fruit. Even back then those jobs were becoming dominated by immigrants. So when the Muricans bitch about losing jobs they are complaining about those kinds of jobs. The rethugs have convinced a lot of people that good jobs are being taken, but it’s the rethugs not wanting to pay a living wage.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)captain queeg
(11,780 posts)The first job I ever had that paid by the hour, I think it was $1.25 or $1.50 an hour was plickingbsweet corn. A tractor pulled a wagon and we picked the corn and tossed it in the wagon. I’m sure they have machines for that nowadays.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)It was not that hard a job. Fresh air and all the apples you could eat. Get high and pick. Falling off the ladder was a problem. Picking produce is not a bad job. It just does not pay much. We have some of the lowest food prices in the world. Wonder why???
I have had factory jobs that were way worse than picking. How about crawling into an drying oven at the end of a printing press and doing some welding? Or being covered to your shoulders in ink and grease while replacing parts on a printing unit? Do you know what VOCs are. Ink = VOCs. How about replacing hundreds of steam traps on live steam systems in mechanical rooms that are 100 degrees. Maybe repairing the hood exhaust duct work in a chemical lab facility? I did these jobs and was paid well to do them. 35 years in union shops!
Coal mine anyone? Trash collector? So do you think being a plumber is a better job that picking? Everyone bitches about the amount plumbers charge yet no one wants to do the job!!! I can do the work but when I have a drain to clean I call a plumber and gladly pay the rate.
Here are a couple of jobs I would not do. Police officer, yea no thanks. Any service job dealing with the pubic, no way.
Any job that requires me to sit at a desk all day. I was a machine shop foreman for 5 years and that was enough I went back to the tools.
A lot of Americans do live a sheltered life and do not understand how screwed up our economy is. Walfart for years, depended on public assistance to help pay its employees. There are a lot of hard dangerous jobs out there that Americans are doing everyday.
SergeStorms
(19,795 posts)in rural New York the only jobs available for teenagers in the summer were farm jobs. We had to get work permits from our parents so we could work at 13 yrs. old, but we did it.
I baled hay, cleaned chicken coups, picked apples, harvested and trimmed cabbage....for a kid the work was alright, but I couldn't imagine trying to make a living at it as an adult. No way.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Americans will do any job that pays a living wage A wage that allows them to live in the community have shelter transportation, healthcare, and food. 15 an hour does not provide those things. Americans are not lazy we are some of the most productive people in the world.
Union construction workers work hard everyday and are paid well for it! It is called capitalism and it works both ways. If you can't get workers then PAY MORE!
Bashing American workers is just wrong
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)NickB79
(20,118 posts)If you're offered $30/hr for decades of manual fieldwork that leaves you permanently disabled with arthritis and back problems by the age of 50, would you take it? You lost 15 years of productivity and earning potential.
A living wage that covers your immediate expenses at the cost of your future disability isn't a living wage. And I don't see many Americans willing to do that except under extreme duress.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)In the 1976 I landed a very good paying job in a local union factory. Looking back it was not a healthy job. We had a plating department, we had a paint department, all the parts were cleaned in trichloroethylene. The Brown and Sharpe department had oil dripping from the rafters. I was actually lucky that the company moved to Florida and China to get away from the union. I did get good training from the company and had a successful career as a maintenance machinist. In much better working conditions.
When I was a young man and took the job I saw no down side. It was one of the best jobs in the community.
So the point is we have Americans who pick up our trash every week. They do it because they are well paid. The companies who butcher our meat and cut our grass can hire Americans. They just have to pay enough. It is called capitalism.
Yes manual labor can wear your body out and may poison you. In this day and age if a job is leaving people disabled then the company has a responsibility to change the procedures of the job so people are not getting disabled. It is called humanity.
Our government is responsible to balance capitalism and humanity.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The one thing I did in my life that was a great decision was build my own home. I paid off the mortgage in my early thirties.
That folks was freedom. However I was still enslaved because of healthcare. I was still able to walk away from any job because my wife worked so we both had that freedom. However by the end of my working days many companies would not cover spouses. Turns out some of their slaves were escaping to freedom.
I had one employer who I hinted to about leaving and he told me I should think about my family. It was a fun conversation.
Corporate America expectes you to stay under their thumb. I choose freedom.
aeromanKC
(3,726 posts)Cha
(314,760 posts)Pepsidog
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intheflow
(29,783 posts)Migrants were packed into barracks without a/c or heat. The barracks were surrounded by 6ft high chain link fence, topped with barbed wire. Alligators were let loose to patrol the grounds at night. The organization housing them confiscated their IDs (visas, other papers) and would not allow the workers access. They sent the migrants into the most toxic and dangerous sites with little protection, and when their portion of the clean-up was done, they called ICE and had all the workers deported for being undocumented. (Remember, the org had their documents.)
Who is this company that won't answer their phone? How long have they been in business? And how did they recruit these workers? There's a Perla-esque feeling to this development that I find deeply disturbing.
LeftInTX
(34,006 posts)I kinda don't think they'll be earning $15 either
Pepsidog
(6,345 posts)depopulation. I was recently reading how Canada's immigration policy is very effective at fulfilling many jobs vital to its economy.
trof
(54,273 posts)For something of this magnitude I imagine contractors from all over the country will be applying to FEMA, counties, and municipalities for contracts.
Some are large respected companies; many are fly-by-night 'one truck' sub-contractors.
Most all of them will hire the cheapest labor they can find.
During the Sally clean up two years ago here in coastal Alabama, the grunt workers were pretty much all Hispanic from Honduras and Mexico.
Looks like the Ian clean up will take years.
SergeStorms
(19,795 posts)loads of "contractors" from up north came down for "work". Some did, but many were just fly-by-night conmen. They go around housing complexes and take orders. Those who "paid in cash" would be their first priority, and they'd drop a few bundles of shingles off at the "cash" houses and never be seen again. 🙄 They'd move on do other housing complexes and do the same thing.
When they figured they'd stole enough money they'd leave the state and were never heard from again.
"Disaster specialists". They'll invade every area where a natural disaster has struck and prey on people who just want their lives put back together. Always get references and check out any contractor before hiring them.
