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HelpImSurrounded

(558 posts)
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:05 PM Aug 2022

I'm not worried about a civil war

I understand the reason to worry about a new civil war. Agents have been trying to reignite it ever since they started seeding the south with the myth of the Lost Cause and dropping monuments across the south.

And, of course, that bunch loves their guns and loves to stockpile them for the day they must "once again" rise up and "defend" the south, or at least, their homes.

But rebellions are hard to start and harder to maintain. We've seen it tried over and over - The OKC bomber, the Charleston church massacre, OK & PB agents provocateur in Mpls, J6 and now the MAGAt who attacked the FBI with a nail gun yesterday.

The best chance that this would happen was J6. It was organized, funded, strategized and executed to be a coup at the moment of transfer of power. But, the attackers were a minority of the overall crowd. Some of the crowd were never there - they didn't go to the capital. Others were on the outer rings cheering but not engaging. And afterward, most of MAGA simply denied it happened.

They had to deny it. They had three choices - stand up and start the revolution, admit they are too comfortable/lazy/scared to get involved or deny it happened. Because nobody wants to risk what they have for a fantasy of what might be.

I've been there. I've been a member of the "burn it all down and start over crowd" when I was young. Eventually, I realized that that line thought is the product of lazy thinking and entitlement.

It's lazy thinking to believe that you "just have" a popular uprising, win and not recreate the same old mistakes. It's entitlement to believe that you are going to come out on top and not get run over by the mob.

These guys talk a lot and they were emboldened by TFG but they blew their best chance to coalesce into a real movement.

These terrorist actions, however - we do need to worry about those. Those are going to continue especially as disconsolate MAGAts watch their heroes and messiah go down one by one. Each one trying to spark the revolution.

We need to push back on the bullies. Our passiveness emboldens them. Beto was absolutely right when he called that heckler a "motherfucker". Beto did more to defend our children in one word than Republicans have done in decades.

These guys believe we don't have guns, that we won't fight back, that we won't push back.

It's long past time we started pushing back. Make MAGAts afraid again.

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I'm not worried about a civil war (Original Post) HelpImSurrounded Aug 2022 OP
Prosecute, convict, incarcerate, .... Scorch the earth any time idiots get itchy trigger fingers. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #1
The FBI should be scouring social media for individuals that threaten or have threatened violence PufPuf23 Aug 2022 #16
And the main thing that made the level of encroachment on J6 possible tanyev Aug 2022 #2
I'm not either, but I am worried about a lot of random rightwing terrorism LymphocyteLover Aug 2022 #3
I agree. Talk of a civil war is kids getting excited and trying to get attention. Martin68 Aug 2022 #4
Yes. Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #5
Not worried either..that's just talk. What isn't just talk are things like the incident yesterday at PortTack Aug 2022 #6
We've got the black helicopters. aeromanKC Aug 2022 #7
They'll never figure out the hangars are at Soros' house HelpImSurrounded Aug 2022 #8
LOL aeromanKC Aug 2022 #10
AND My CHECKS, apparently! ROFL! HelpImSurrounded Aug 2022 #11
The people in my personal orbit who are going on about a civil war Politicub Aug 2022 #9
Thankfully, only a tiny percentage of adults watch cable news. Kaleva Aug 2022 #19
That bunch." Dude, you need to take a look at the states where this crap is happening. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #12
"That bunch" lives all over HelpImSurrounded Aug 2022 #13
"Make MAGAts afraid again." EXACTLY! Send them scurrying back under the stones and debris from KPN Aug 2022 #14
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #15
"Make MAGAts afraid again." uponit7771 Aug 2022 #17
Less then 30% of adults in this country voted for TFG Kaleva Aug 2022 #18

PufPuf23

(9,632 posts)
16. The FBI should be scouring social media for individuals that threaten or have threatened violence
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:30 AM
Aug 2022

and sedition.

Warrants should be served complete with SWAT team to seize their weapons.

Give the bastards what they fear with prejudice and no nonsense.

Agree with you. Some of the bastards have revealed themselves and provided an opportunity to be proactive.

Apologies to actual bastards particularly if Democrats.

tanyev

(48,133 posts)
2. And the main thing that made the level of encroachment on J6 possible
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:17 PM
Aug 2022

was that the beneficiary of the insurrection still held the reins of power and many paths of opportunity were made available for the insurrectionists.

That is not the case now, although it could happen again, which is why the next couple of elections are critical.

Martin68

(26,557 posts)
4. I agree. Talk of a civil war is kids getting excited and trying to get attention.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:21 PM
Aug 2022

We are not going to have a "hot" civil war. We are, I think, already in the middle of a "cold" one.

Elessar Zappa

(16,374 posts)
5. Yes.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:24 PM
Aug 2022

I’ve been saying the same thing. We may (and probably will) have some random maga terrorist incidents but a civil war won’t happen. People are too comfortable to risk they and their families’ lives for a Donald Trump.

PortTack

(35,797 posts)
6. Not worried either..that's just talk. What isn't just talk are things like the incident yesterday at
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:31 PM
Aug 2022

The FBI office in Cincinnati. There will be lots of that

Politicub

(12,316 posts)
9. The people in my personal orbit who are going on about a civil war
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:43 PM
Aug 2022

are the same ones who watch cable news all day.

It's tedious to have a conversation about politics with many of them because they live in a world of hyperbole and opinion as opposed to hard news.

One of my friends feels like he's more informed than anyone else because he's glued to the TV. He couches it as a sense of duty to stay on top of current events, and, in his mind, he knows more than anyone else. In reality, he just parrots what he hears on TV.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
12. That bunch." Dude, you need to take a look at the states where this crap is happening.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:48 PM
Aug 2022

But sure, I understand south bashing is always popular here.

I could make a list for you of states represented in January 6, and I could point out this nut yesterday was from Ohio. Tfg is from NY. I could go on.

But really, I just can't be arsed.

HelpImSurrounded

(558 posts)
13. "That bunch" lives all over
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 01:31 PM
Aug 2022

I know. I grew up with them in midwest. They may have never set foot in the south but they dream of the day "the south will rise again" and they will supposedly run to its aid.

Gravy Seals are everywhere.

KPN

(16,966 posts)
14. "Make MAGAts afraid again." EXACTLY! Send them scurrying back under the stones and debris from
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 01:51 PM
Aug 2022

whence they slithered when the orange POS took center stage back in 2015.

MAKE MAGATS AFRAID AGAIN! .... love it and thak you for that. ..... I'm seeing a wonderful lamp-post sticker here.

Kaleva

(40,027 posts)
18. Less then 30% of adults in this country voted for TFG
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 05:23 AM
Aug 2022

Of that a fair amount will vote for the R candidate no matter who he is. They voted for Romney, McCain and Bush 43 in the past. Not all who voted for TFG are Magahats.

Of the 75 million who voted for TFG, only about 30k of them bothered to go to DC for the 1/6 protest. Out of that, about 800 attacked the Capitol.

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