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malaise

(290,349 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 09:21 PM Jul 2022

Most disturbing tonight so far

Why were Mother’s Boy’s Secret Service detail calling their families to say goodbye?
What did they know?

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Most disturbing tonight so far (Original Post) malaise Jul 2022 OP
Notice during break the standing room only crowd. halfulglas Jul 2022 #1
Indeed. dalton99a Jul 2022 #2
They were hearing, "Hang Mike Pence" Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #3
+1 chowder66 Jul 2022 #6
Maybe they read the texts orthoclad Jul 2022 #19
They each knew they had drawn the short straws Habitation Jul 2022 #27
That was very telling. Solly Mack Jul 2022 #4
Absolutely Rebl2 Jul 2022 #5
They knew for sure that they didn't know enough. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #7
They were almost overtaken by the mob of insurrectionists FakeNoose Jul 2022 #8
So does anyone think, that, they gave the TFG the 25'th? Because Pence called for the NG. Going to Canada Jul 2022 #23
I think it's a ruse on the part of the Secret Service Cozmo Jul 2022 #9
Well EnergizedLib Jul 2022 #10
They weren't trained to deal with "tourists." nt Gore1FL Jul 2022 #11
By that time moondust Jul 2022 #12
They knew a violent mob was coming for Pense MyMission Jul 2022 #13
They expected it to be his Beer Hall Putsch ... Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #14
And the German government went easy on Hitler, making him serve only around catbyte Jul 2022 #16
Hear, hear!! Missn-Hitch Jul 2022 #21
Ivana Trump testified under oath that Shitler OMGWTF Jul 2022 #22
Yep. Like I said, I am prepared for the worst. Missn-Hitch Jul 2022 #26
PBS coverage had a woman on who is wnylib Jul 2022 #15
Honestly, Officer Goodman should be credited with literally saving the nation that night. crickets Jul 2022 #18
There were many heroes that day. wnylib Jul 2022 #25
Thanks for this malaise Jul 2022 #24
And yet Pence remains silent. Grins Jul 2022 #17
Funny how the Committee has communications from Pence's SS detail from 1/6, but not Trump's. sop Jul 2022 #20
Pence has the Mother Lodestar to bring this case to a swift conclusion.... Blue Owl Jul 2022 #28
Agree 100% malaise Jul 2022 #29

Baitball Blogger

(51,184 posts)
3. They were hearing, "Hang Mike Pence"
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 09:41 PM
Jul 2022

And they knew about pipe bombs and a crowd that was armed and storming the Capitol.

What else do they need?

Habitation

(5,716 posts)
27. They each knew they had drawn the short straws
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:15 AM
Jul 2022

I imagine weeks prior they each lobbied hard to get switched to Mogul's detail.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
7. They knew for sure that they didn't know enough.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 10:30 PM
Jul 2022

Realizations like that will shake even those thick necked acolytes of suicide worship.

FakeNoose

(39,082 posts)
8. They were almost overtaken by the mob of insurrectionists
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 10:38 PM
Jul 2022

I think the Pence family and SS guys got down the stairs less than a minute before the mob broke in. Once they got down the stairs, they had to wait hours before everyone cleared out. I'm pretty sure that was near the time when Pence finally called the National Guard in to help the Capitol police.

The secret service guys who were guarding the Pences didn't know what the other guys were doing. They weren't part of the plot, as far as any of us know.

Going to Canada

(169 posts)
23. So does anyone think, that, they gave the TFG the 25'th? Because Pence called for the NG.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:55 AM
Jul 2022

I thought only the Commander In Chief could do that?

moondust

(21,094 posts)
12. By that time
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Fri Jul 22, 2022, 01:21 AM - Edit history (1)

didn't they know there were weapons in the crowd? That there was a guy up in a tree with an AR-15? "I don’t f—— care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me."

Pence's detail knew the (armed) mob would have to go through them to get to Pence.

MyMission

(2,008 posts)
13. They knew a violent mob was coming for Pense
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:02 PM
Jul 2022

They were sworn to protect him, take a bullet, lay down their lives, and with the mob coming they would have to engage, put themselves between Pense and those gunning for him.

Going down in the line of duty must have seemed like a real and imminent possiblity.
Very chilling testimony.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
14. They expected it to be his Beer Hall Putsch ...
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:06 PM
Jul 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch

Except, Hair Furor had many more crazies than Hitler launched. The Grotesque Orange Pustule wanted to go to the Capitol in order to declare victory amongst his people.

BTW, we don't know if the driver refusing to take the thing to the Capitol was doing so to protect his master or if he understood the threat to the nation.

catbyte

(38,088 posts)
16. And the German government went easy on Hitler, making him serve only around
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:16 PM
Jul 2022

8 months of a 5-year sentence, just long enough to write Mein Kampf. We see how well that turned out for Germany and the planet. I hope Merrick Garland and the DOJ pick up a history book.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
21. Hear, hear!!
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:14 AM
Jul 2022

Good thing he can't read good or rite well.

The country is still asleep. Or there are way, WAY too many sympathizers among us.

I hope it's the former.

BUT prepared for the latter.

Cheers!

OMGWTF

(4,936 posts)
22. Ivana Trump testified under oath that Shitler
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:25 AM
Jul 2022

kept a copy of Hitler’s speeches in his nightstand.

wnylib

(25,345 posts)
15. PBS coverage had a woman on who is
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:12 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Fri Jul 22, 2022, 06:19 AM - Edit history (1)

a former security officer for the Capitol. She explained that there are layers of security that they rely on for emergency situations. One is DC police backup. But the DC police were preoccupied with the mob. The NG were not present. The DC police and the Capitol police were outnumbered by the mob.

The SS detail had no way to ensure that there was a safe pathway out for them other than radio contact with officers or other security people. The SS could not see what was happening from where they were, but they could hear the chants to hang Mike Pence. They knew that if the mob found them or saw them leaving, they would be killed in order to capture Pence.

This is where Officer Goodman came into it, leading the mob away from Pence so the SS could get him out of there.

crickets

(26,166 posts)
18. Honestly, Officer Goodman should be credited with literally saving the nation that night.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:21 PM
Jul 2022

If Pence had died, the country might well have gone down with him.

sop

(16,521 posts)
20. Funny how the Committee has communications from Pence's SS detail from 1/6, but not Trump's.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 11:42 PM
Jul 2022

Blue Owl

(57,666 posts)
28. Pence has the Mother Lodestar to bring this case to a swift conclusion....
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 07:33 PM
Jul 2022

Donald tRump is an insane, power-hungry, narcissistic, ego-maniac who seeks power at all costs -- including Mother's Boy's own life...

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