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Nevilledog

(54,591 posts)
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 03:53 PM Jul 2022

An Abortion Is Not An Abortion If A 10-Year-Old Gets One, Says Anti-Abortion Leader

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abortion-child-rape-victim_n_62d040fbe4b0e6251b3a0f79?l6g

In a truly bizarre exchange during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday, the leader of a national anti-abortion organization claimed that it “would not be an abortion” if a 10-year-old rape victim got pregnant and … had an abortion.

Catherine Glenn Foster, the president and CEO of Americans United for Life, was responding to questions from Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) about whether she thinks a 10-year-old girl would or should “choose” to have a baby. After some back and forth, during which Foster refused to answer the question, she came up with a response.

“I believe it would probably impact her life, and so, therefore, it would fall under any exception and would not be an abortion,” said Foster.

“Wait,” replied Swalwell, puzzled. “It would not be an abortion if a 10-year-old with her parents made the decision not to have a baby that was the result of a rape?”

“If a 10-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape and it was threatening her life, then that’s not an abortion,” Foster said. “So it would not fall under any abortion restriction in our nation.”

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An Abortion Is Not An Abortion If A 10-Year-Old Gets One, Says Anti-Abortion Leader (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2022 OP
See? They know how grotesque and cruel they are gratuitous Jul 2022 #1
But they won't accept that her life is in danger unless she's bleeding out. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #2
No wonder many of the same people reject vaccinations. Hugin Jul 2022 #6
Which is another reason they're targeting Drs. They've spent 2yrs accusing them of murder w/covid Nevilledog Jul 2022 #7
Truth blm Jul 2022 #3
Yep Solly Mack Jul 2022 #4
Apparently Ohio didn't get that memo. yardwork Jul 2022 #5
Mental gymnastics Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #8
There are about 100 million people that should not be living in the USA. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #9
Columbus Dispatch + the Ohio law irisblue Jul 2022 #10
They are relying on phrases in Dobbs. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #12
This is precisely the kind of political manipulation that they are so good at. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #11
Swalwell was masterful at pinning Foster into a logical corner crickets Jul 2022 #13

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. See? They know how grotesque and cruel they are
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:36 PM
Jul 2022

Note the list of qualifications Foster runs down: 10 year old girl; had to have been raped (as if she could have gotten pregnant any other way); and the pregnancy was threatening her life, then okay, she can get an abortion-that-we-won't-call-an-abortion.

Foster knows how this sounds to a normal human being of average sensibility, so she has to begrudgingly carve out an exception, which isn't really in the unjust law she's trying to defend. But she'll say it for the cameras so that people won't see her for the monster she is.

Nevilledog

(54,591 posts)
2. But they won't accept that her life is in danger unless she's bleeding out.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jul 2022

Their exceptions make it very difficult to prove the exception. That's the point.

Hugin

(36,949 posts)
6. No wonder many of the same people reject vaccinations.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 07:12 PM
Jul 2022

Until... They wouldn't work.

Same principle.

These people of faith have no faith.

Nevilledog

(54,591 posts)
7. Which is another reason they're targeting Drs. They've spent 2yrs accusing them of murder w/covid
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jul 2022

irisblue

(36,229 posts)
10. Columbus Dispatch + the Ohio law
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:18 PM
Jul 2022

In Ohio, abortions are illegal after cardiac activity is detected, which usually occurs around six weeks gestation and before many people know they're pregnant. There are no exceptions for rape or incest,which got renewed attention after a Columbus man was charged with raping a 10-year-old girl who traveled to Indiana to get an abortion. The case drew the attention of President Joe Biden and made international news.

source-https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/14/ohio-abortion-law-what-bills-state-lawmakers-considering/10057039002/

Those SOBs are lying.

bolding mine

Ms. Toad

(37,856 posts)
12. They are relying on phrases in Dobbs.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:56 PM
Jul 2022

First - allowing an exception for rape or incest would not change an abortion into not-an-abortion; it merely makes having an abortion legal.

Second - the phrases they are relying on in Dobbs for their new definition of abortion did not exist when the trigger/zombie laws were written, they are flat out wrong from a legal persepctive. Ohio's definition of abortion:

"abortion" means the purposeful termination of a human pregnancy by any person, including the pregnant woman herself, with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus or embryo.


Third - it appears that the phrases they are relying on from Dobbs are from hand-picked state-specific laws.

Ms. Toad

(37,856 posts)
11. This is precisely the kind of political manipulation that they are so good at.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:45 PM
Jul 2022

They need to be called on it each and every time they trot it out. Have medical and legal definitinos of abortion on hand to prevent them from redefining abortion to change the narrative.

They did it with same gender marriage (if the state accepts same gender marriage, churches will be forced to marry couples against their beliefs)

They are doing it now with trans athletes (this is really a feminist issue - our precious little girls will lose out to "men" who are allowed to declare themselves women)

They are now doing it with abortion when the consequences of Dobbs became politically untenable.

(A nearly identical exchange occurred yesterday about an ectopic pregnancy, as well.)

crickets

(26,158 posts)
13. Swalwell was masterful at pinning Foster into a logical corner
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 11:53 PM
Jul 2022

and refusing to let the point go, following up with another witness to make sure to drive his point home. Foster was engaging in the most ludicrous and dishonest verbal gymnastics. It was disgusting, and good on him for not letting her get away with it.

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