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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 12:50 PM Jul 2022

When your best defense is saying, it's a political witch hunt, you're fucked.

Lindsey is now using that defense.

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When your best defense is saying, it's a political witch hunt, you're fucked. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jul 2022 OP
I don't care who you are leftieNanner Jul 2022 #1
Mark Meadows did. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #3
Don't think that was a grand jury dpibel Jul 2022 #6
Why is it a different breed of cat? gab13by13 Jul 2022 #7
But Congress can't enforce its own subpoena dpibel Jul 2022 #8
subpoena pamdb Jul 2022 #4
It depends on the audience you want to hear it. Caliman73 Jul 2022 #2
Seems like they are finding the witches. Or warlocks as the gender may be. Srkdqltr Jul 2022 #5

leftieNanner

(16,061 posts)
1. I don't care who you are
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jul 2022

You can't just blow off a Grand Jury subpoena.

I guess he's going to go to court to fight it. But he will lose.

Delay, delay, delay. That is their plan.

dpibel

(3,686 posts)
6. Don't think that was a grand jury
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jul 2022

Pretty sure what Meadows blew off was a subpoena from the J6 committee.

Different breed of cat.

Courts are pretty good at making their subpoenae work.

gab13by13

(30,080 posts)
7. Why is it a different breed of cat?
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 01:37 PM
Jul 2022

Merrick Garland could have indicted Meadows for ignoring the subpoena, but he chose not to.

dpibel

(3,686 posts)
8. But Congress can't enforce its own subpoena
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:39 PM
Jul 2022

Congress has no ability (other than the possibility of inherent contempt) to enforce a subpoena. It can ask the AG to enforce, and, as demonstrated by the Meadows case, the AG may or may not.

A court, OTOH, has at its immediate disposal the constabulary and the jail. A judge can instruct the bailiff to march you straight from the courtroom to a cell if you're sufficiently contemptuous.

IOW, a one-step process for a judicial subpoena; a two-step one for Congressional.

There are assuredly complexities in the Graham subpoena, not least of which is how much compulsion a court can exercise over a nonresident witness. I don't know the answer to that.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
2. It depends on the audience you want to hear it.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 12:55 PM
Jul 2022

Sure, Graham may be in legal trouble. He will likely be in political trouble too as he will need to decide if he will flip on Trump and face backlash from his own base, or suffer some legal consequence.

He is trying to season the base against any actions against him. He is simply doing what most conservatives do. He is playing the referees. By saying something is a political witch hunt, or biased, or partisan, you try to inure your supporters so that they accept that there is no merit to the legal proceedings. You use their bias to your benefit because they already want to believe they are backing the honorable person.

It won't necessarily stop the legal action, but it could pressure the prosecutors if the pressure builds enough.

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