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https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-12-2022?s=rToday in the New York Times, columnist Maureen Dowd reacted to Thursdays revelations that Trump was deadly serious about overthrowing the government, by laying out the main points: Trump knew he had lost the election, and he was willing to see his vice president hanged in order to avoid being labeled a loser. Dowd called former president Trump an American monster and compared him unfavorably to Frankensteins monster, who at least has self-awareness, and a reason to wreak havoc [and] knows how to feel guilty and when to leave the stage. Our monster, in contrast, is driven only by pure narcissistic psychopathyand he refuses to leave the stage or cease his vile mendacity.
Yesterday, Politicos Betsy Woodruff Swan and Kyle Cheney reported that on January 5, 2021, thenvice president Pences attorney Greg Jacob wrote a three-page memo concluding that what the president and his supporters were demanding Pence do the next day would break the 1887 Electoral College Actthat is, the lawin four different ways. The memo responded to John Eastmans memo laying out the plan for Pence to hand the election to Trump by refusing to count a number of Biden electors. Jacob noted that Eastman himself acknowledges that his proposal violates several provisions of statutory law. In addition, both historical court decisions and one as recent as the day before contradicted Eastmans plan.
Jacobs memo concluded that if Pence did what Trump demanded, the best possible outcome was that [t]he Vice President would likely find himself in an isolated standoff against both houses of Congress, as well as most or all of the applicable State legislatures .
It is no wonder that Pence declined to participate.
'Today on CBSs Face the Nation, Representative Adam Kinzinger...called out Republicans who have rallied behind the Big Lie, saying: I dont really know many people around [Trump] who truly believe the election was stolen, and if Trump truly believes the election was stolen, hes not mentally competent to be President.
After Thursdays revelation by committee vice-chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) that Representative Scott Perry (R-PA), as well as multiple other Republican congressmen, tried to get Trump to pardon them for their participation in his plan to overturn the election, Perrys spokesperson called the allegation a laughable, ludicrous, and a thoroughly soulless lie.
But today on ABC News, Representative Adam Schiff...said the panel has evidence...: We will show the evidence that we have that members of Congress were seeking pardons . I think that is some of the most compelling evidence of a consciousness of guilt . Why would members do that if they felt that their involvement in this plot to overturn the election was somehow appropriate?
Asked if the committee had evidence for their statement that congresspeople had asked for pardons, Representative Jamie Raskin...a constitutional lawyer, told CNNs Dana Bash, everything were doing is documented by evidence, unlike the Big Lie, which is based on nonsense, as former Attorney General Barr said, everything were doing is based on facts.'

musclecar6
(1,884 posts)TFFG is not a smart guy. So maybe all his unrelenting schemes and scams will finally come home to roost and he will be unceremoniously booted out the political door, so we finally can be gone with him.One can only hope, as his mindless base will never stop idolizing this evil clown.
jonstl08
(509 posts)Reason the GOP is still pushing the big lie is because they know if Trump is cast aside his voters will not vote for them so they are kissing his ass to win elections
BSdetect
(9,048 posts)Traildogbob
(12,063 posts)But them immediately, Joyce Vance pops up on MSNBC. She is brilliant and knows what she speaks but she busts my bubble daily. Intent intent intent. Its like if I shoot an orange fat person, I just need to put out a reasonable doubt I did not intend to, even if its on video. I mean, Rittenhouse walks, and is a hero to the right, how can we expect billionaires like trump Hannity, and Jarod ever be held accountable. But, damnit, I will keep the faith, in spite of Joyce and her knowledge of law. Lock em up. Or why have courts, lawyers and jails, except for poor folk. By poor, Im referring to working people down to homeless people. Especially darker skin tone. Damnit, orange is a minority as it gets. Orange people are taking our money and voting illegally and raping our women. Caravans are coming from Florida. Build that wall.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)election security boss said so, if memory serves
but the where are my missing balls? MSM downplayed that also.
Meaning proof of criminal intent is in the bag, Trump too be bagged soon.