Back to the 50s - Don't Want Pregnancy? Don't Have Sex.

[MineralMan]

That was the reality for many in the 1950s. If you lived in many states and you were under the age of 21, you couldn't even buy condoms. That was true in California then. Condoms were for sale only by pharmacists then, right into the 1960s, and you had to prove you were 21 to buy them.

This is how the right-wingers want it to be again. It's all part of right-wing men's plan to control women. The next step is to get rid of marital rape laws. Then, they'll be able to keep their women pregnant and enslaved to them and their children as they please.

If you're a woman in that situation, every sexual encounter is a potential pregnancy. You can't get contraceptives. If you get pregnant, you can't have an abortion. You'll be trapped. If you're married, you can't even refuse to have sex, if the right-wingers get their way, because your husband can demand sex from you with impunity.

This is their plan. This is what they want. If we don't stop them, women's rights will end.

We must stop this! As a man, I remember the 1950s and 1960s. I abstained from having all sexual activity that could result in an pregnancy in my younger years. Many men would refuse to do that. Many men wouldn't abstain back then, either.

We must prevent right-wing men from enslaving women. We must!

[Hugh_Lebowski]

1. A couple can have plenty of fun in the bedroom w/o ever risking pregnancy

even without contraceptives.

Teens have figured this out (in part due to the endemic nature of porn on the internet), I've heard tell that's big part of why rates of teen pregnancy are way down from years past.

I like to get a rise out out of these sorts of folks by pointing out that if you take away abortions and contraception, their sons and daughters will just resort to sodomy instead

[electric_blue68]

13. Baaaahahahaaaaaaaaaa 👏😂

[MineralMan]

19. Teens figured that out back then, too.

Trust me. I know.

[uponit7771]

2. K&R, MAGA doesn't like sex with adult humans. They'll say they do but doctrine says they don't.

[Arkansas Granny]

3. Ah, yes, back to my teen years when girls who got pregnant had to quit school and

so many 8 lb. "preemies" were born to couples who had only been married for 7 months.

[MineralMan]

4. Yes.

[paleotn]

27. Sounds like my high school years.

[Basic LA]

5. To Christo Fascists, lust is a sin.

And they're here to eradicate sin.

[MineralMan]

9. Only for women, though. They think sex is a right for men.

That's the first principle of Christo Fascism. Women, to them, are chattel property.

[Basic LA]

36. Correct.

An important distinction.

[Beartracks]

37. ... in others.

[Stallion]

6. Sex Strike!!!

[MineralMan]

10. But the right-wingers will simple insist on sex. If you don't comply,

they'll force it.

[bdamomma]

57. that is scary

Gilead anyone?

MineralMan

[Oneironaut]

33. "Sex strike" is a sexist concept that requires the belief women don't enjoy sex.

It assumes sex is something to be “given” to a man. It’s also extremely heteronormative.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

46. You're right ... it's totally sexist

Towards MEN.

Good call.

[Vinca]

7. The GQP states are trying to "out regulate" each other. It's only a matter of time until it's

illegal to have sex unless it's for the purpose of making a baby.

[MineralMan]

15. But, the men who advocate this demand to be free to have sex anytime.

That's the core of the problem. This is not really about sex. It is about individual rights. For the religious right wing, only men have those rights. Women, they believe, should be subservient to men in all things.

[cksmithy]

41. There is a series on hulu

Under the Banner of Heaven, as a child of the 50s, teen of the 60's raised in a mormon convert home, I agree with you completely. I am in my 71 and still bear the scars of being a subservient woman. If you want to understand what is was like, watch this how. I no longer practice any religion. I just hope enough people men and women of all ages realizes the danger our democracy is in and votes for the people who will protect us.

[MineralMan]

42. Well, I'm less than a month from being 77, so I grew up in the 50s,

and was in high school until 1963. So, I know the feelings of that time pretty well. I am frightened that we will return to those days and the restrictions women were under back then. I was aware of them then, too, and found them to be totally out of bounds, even then.

It wasn't just women, either. People of color had no rights at all, essentially. Those were not "the good old days" at all. They were the times we worked hard to change. And we did.

Now, we risk being thrown right back into those days, and the younger generations have no memory of what it was like. It's up to us oldsters to fill them in and hope they will respond to prevent themselves and their children from facing them again.

[cksmithy]

51. I am terrified

about what life holds for my 3 granddaughters 11 to 21. I was a sophomore 1966 1967 in California. My husband and I, were talking to one of our daughters about our marriage and family/ government classes. What our driver's ed teacher said about sex, she responded. "oh my god! a teacher would would be fired for saying that in our school district." School is not the same as what we experienced/learned in the 50's and 60's. I taught 2nd grand in a Conservative school district (2000) and had to be careful about anything/everything I said. I want women and men to be free and make their own decisions in the years to come. My father thought everyone who had a tan or dark complexion was a dirty "....". My husband and uncle, both of Sicilian descent were never good enough for him,(but in the long term both had good jobs and good retirement benefits.) All of my grandchildren have dark olive complexion and can get a dark tan without trying. I hope they never have to hear they are dirty"...". Again, I hope everyone votes to protect our rights.

[MineralMan]

52. I understand. I hope we will all do what we can to help

Democrats win elections. That's our best hope.

[Lettuce Be]

8. But but but RAPE

It's nice to tell women they can decide to have sex but it is not true. Men can overpower a woman so easily it's not funny. I know from experience with an ex-boyfriend. No only means no if you can run fast enough. Until we solve for rape, no way women will be safe from this nightmare.

[MineralMan]

11. Yes. Well, see, for the men who are advocating this,

sex is a right and women do not have the right to refuse it. That is really the core of the problem. For those men, women are property. They think they should be able to dictate to them.

I thought I was pretty clear about all that in the body of my post.

[BlackSkimmer]

47. Rape is about violence.

It is not about sex.

Really horrified to see this narrative being pushed here.

[Jilly_in_VA]

12. AND

Don't be married. Don't get raped. Don't let your creepy uncle or stepdad or youth pastor anywhere near you. Don't EVER get "carried away" by passion. Or so many other things.....

[MineralMan]

14. None of that matters to those who are advocating the end of

contraception and abortion. That is why we must stop this movement cold.

[electric_blue68]

16. I fear for all our younger women, and I do at times feel...

hatred for these men, and complicit women.

[MineralMan]

17. I agree.

Those men are ogres who don't give a damn about any women. That's the simple truth.

[electric_blue68]

20. So unfortunately yes....

And as someone who went on several of the Women's Marches I loved and felt equal frustration at the Signs saying a variation of ...


It's 2000 WHY am I still protesting this shit?!

[MineralMan]

22. Because we missed our chance in 2016.

That's why you're protesting. Had we sent a message in that year's election, we'd be having none of this. But, we did not, unfortunately. Petty bickering on our side led to Trump's win. It is that freaking simple. I hope we learned from it and don't do a repeat of that election.

[electric_blue68]

28. I don't think I knew anyone who was going to vote third party...

maaaaybe 2 cousins who probably vote for drump. Maybe 1 cousin cyncal enough who doesn't vote.


My friends are mostly liberal Democrats, maaaybe 1 or 2 a bit more centrist.

I think I put up signs in my nabe to vote, and the # for voting problems.

[MineralMan]

38. Sadly, I do know several people, all millennials, who voted for Stein.

In Minnesota, it didn't matter, of course, but they did vote for Jill Stein. In Wisconsin, just to the east, votes for Stein helped to elect Trump in that state.

So, it was a phenomenon that did occur. Yes, indeed, it did.

[electric_blue68]

49. Oh, I know it did! 😑🤬🤬🤬🤬

[pstokely]

54. do third party candidates have high support in the upper midwest?

who'd they vote for in 2020?

[MineralMan]

56. I wouldn't say "high" support, but some voted for Stein in 2016.

I'm sure the same folks voted for Joe Biden in 2020.

[Hekate]

44. I did, and I am rather bitter about it. People I thought knew better, who *should* have known better

[Oneironaut]

34. I always feel hatred for these Fascists.

[IronLionZion]

18. Let's go back to year 0

An unwanted pregnancy would be considered a virgin birth and the child of God can start a new religion.

[housecat]

26. oy

[IronLionZion]

40. vey

[MineralMan]

48. gevalt!

[Wednesdays]

29. Nitpick, but there never was a year 0

The year after 1 B.C. was 1 A.D.

As it turns out, Jesus Christ's birth was in neither of those dates. I think they figured Christ's birth to be around 4 B.C.

[KS Toronado]

21. I also abstained from having all sexual activity that could..........

And why? Because my dad educated me on how to be a responsible adult.

[MineralMan]

23. Sure. Lots of kids didn't listen to their dads, though.

I remember the consequences they faced at the time. My dad told me the same thing. I thought about it and followed his advice.

[Mr. Evil]

24. Over the years

I've read a few news stories about rapists having the tables turned on them by their potential female victims because they'd had self-defense/karate training. It isn't a solution by a long shot but, at least it could give the women a fighting chance to escape a horrific experience and maybe leave their potential rapist in a bloody heap.

[housecat]

25. Make men pay child support

[Captain Zero]

55. yep or send them to JAIL

Republicans love sending people to jail.

[The Grand Illuminist]

30. How far would you take it?

Sacrifice is rule 1 of serving the greater good.

[H2O Man]

31. Recommended.

[paleotn]

32. One of Alito's sources, Sir Matthew Hale wrote...

that marital rape was impossible by the very definition of marriage. Well, marriage according to 17th century witch burners anyway. Just wait for that to get passed into law by a red state legislature. Yes, the reich wing are that crazy.

Another of Hale's logical "gems"...The existence of laws against witchcraft (the pact with the devil sort) are proof that witches exist. His judgments and writing had a significant impact on the Salem Witch Trials.

I'd say, it's not the 1950's they want to take us back to, but the 1650's.

[DownriverDem]

35. Just wait

Women hid if they got pregnant or went to a home for unwed mothers.

[Beartracks]

39. ... or "went to visit an out-of-state aunt."

[MineralMan]

43. Or died from an illegal abortion done in unsanitary conditions.

That happened a lot, as well.

[Hekate]

45. A bit younger than you, & I remember it well. KnR

[KentuckyWoman]

50. You are a unique sort.

The ones who were skunks then are running the Republicans now. Some things never change.

[MineralMan]

53. Not really. I just recognized what becoming a father at 16 would mean.

My steady girlfriend in high school and I talked about it. She was very smart. We figured out ways to explore without that risk.

[Samrob]

58. Here is another way:

If you don't want to get pregnant:

Scream loudly when your grandfather, father, brother, uncle cousin, family friend, pastor, teacher, schoolmate try to molest you.
Never have unprotected consented sex with anyone.

[MineralMan]

59. You forgot to mention your stepfather or stepbrother.

Sadly, that's more common than most people know.