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kpete

(72,897 posts)
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:29 AM May 2022

There really is zero doubt now that the leak came from the right

After Politico’s exclusive on Monday night publishing the draft Alito majority opinion, CNN followed rapidly that same evening with very specific details about Roberts’ position on the case, resisting joining the majority opinion and perhaps trying to lure one of the five Justices to a narrower ruling. When that second story came out so quickly I said that it made me think that the breakdown of secrecy on this case went beyond the leak of the draft opinion. Reading the Journal OpEd from last week makes that basically a certainty.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/abortion-and-the-supreme-court-dobbs-v-jackson-mississippi-john-roberts-11651009292

Read the Journal oped. It walks very clearly through the current deliberations of the Court, including Roberts’ effort to bring at least one hardliner over to a more limited, though still highly restrictionist, ruling.

These three paragraphs stand out, especially in the light of the reporting from Monday night …

But Chief Justice John Roberts tried during the oral argument to find a middle way. He appeared to want to sustain the Mississippi law on grounds that it doesn’t violate Casey’s test of whether there is an “undue burden” on the ability to obtain an abortion. If he pulls another Justice to his side, he could write the plurality opinion that controls in a 6-3 decision. If he can’t, then Justice Thomas would assign the opinion and the vote could be 5-4. Our guess is that Justice Alito would then get the assignment.

The Justices first declare their votes on a case during their private conference after oral argument, but they can change their mind. That’s what the Chief did in the ObamaCare case in 2012, much to the dismay of the other conservatives. He may be trying to turn another Justice now.

We hope he doesn’t succeed—for the good of the Court and the country. The Chief’s middle ground might be explainable with some legal dexterity, but it would prolong the Court’s abortion agony. Critics on the left would still lambaste the Court for letting Mississippi’s law stand. And states would soon pass more laws with even narrower restrictions that would eventually force the Justices to overturn Roe and Casey or say the precedents stand on solid ground.


I’ve done a bit of this myself in the past. You string out what you’ve learned to be the fact of the matter as a series of hypotheticals and logical deductions. It’s very clear that the jockeying among the six Republican appointees has been shared in the elite GOP legal circles that have a direct line into the Journal oped page. Clear as day. And that tells you pretty much to a certainty what was already seeming fairly clear: that the leak came from determined anti-Roe advocates trying to lock in Alito’s ‘take no prisoners’ elimination of Roe. Clear as day.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-journel-oped-from-last-week-tells-the-tale-on-the-alito-leak


Josh Marshall
@joshtpm

Going to write a bit more about this after a meeting. But now clear that conservative legal types thought the feral WSJ ed board had been leaked details abt the Mississippi case and even the Alito opinion itself last week before Politico even published its exclusive.

2/ There really is zero doubt now that the leak came from the right and - even more telling - that the the pressure campaign AND the leak was something of an open secret on the right.



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There really is zero doubt now that the leak came from the right (Original Post) kpete May 2022 OP
You mean Mitch, Ted and Lindsey weren't serious when they promised the leaker would be jailed? sop May 2022 #1
It is just their form of projection again, blaming dems for something they Bev54 May 2022 #12
Jailed for what? What law was broken? wnylib May 2022 #14
That's what I told my wife days ago. They'd have to jail half of DC for leaks Bengus81 May 2022 #21
Diversion from the upcoming J6 hearings/reports, too. wnylib May 2022 #22
Their unified projection onto the left told me what I needed to know underpants May 2022 #2
Why'd they shop it exclusively to Politico? Budi May 2022 #3
Whoever leaked it had to be absolutely sure he/she would not be identified. Lochloosa May 2022 #6
I've been wondering that myself, but maybe it's because leaking it to Ocelot II May 2022 #7
I think it was an inside job with 2 fold opportunities for Politico. Budi May 2022 #10
100% flamingdem May 2022 #18
There seems to be many, very varied, conflicting, wide ranging opinions on the leak. empedocles May 2022 #4
My bet is on Neil Gorsuch turning. ProudMNDemocrat May 2022 #5
It's should have been plainly evident Docreed2003 May 2022 #8
Agree. Duppers May 2022 #9
Exactly. I agree with Jen Psaki. wnylib May 2022 #15
It could have just been a guess. An easy one at that. twodogsbarking May 2022 #11
The RWNJ have a different target for the leak. usaf-vet May 2022 #13
An obvious dog whistle for the Magats. Meadowoak May 2022 #20
I had been trying to find the WSJ editorial BumRushDaShow May 2022 #16
Kick dalton99a May 2022 #17
maybe it was bdamomma May 2022 #19
i hate to be pedantic but who cares where the leak came from Mr. Sparkle May 2022 #23

sop

(16,672 posts)
1. You mean Mitch, Ted and Lindsey weren't serious when they promised the leaker would be jailed?
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:35 AM
May 2022

Bev54

(12,997 posts)
12. It is just their form of projection again, blaming dems for something they
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:03 AM
May 2022

damn well know their side is doing or has done.

Bengus81

(9,537 posts)
21. That's what I told my wife days ago. They'd have to jail half of DC for leaks
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:43 AM
May 2022

Just diversion BS by Republicans who got BUSTED. Plain and simple...........

wnylib

(25,351 posts)
22. Diversion from the upcoming J6 hearings/reports, too.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:50 AM
May 2022

But it could backfire. The rage of the left over Roe, combined with the J6 revelations, will be powerful motivators from the left, and attract Independents, too.

underpants

(193,654 posts)
2. Their unified projection onto the left told me what I needed to know
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:36 AM
May 2022

They had the whole thing bundled up and ready to go.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Why'd they shop it exclusively to Politico?
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:47 AM
May 2022

Just curious about that.
We know by their writings that Politico is anti-Democratic.

Lochloosa

(16,605 posts)
6. Whoever leaked it had to be absolutely sure he/she would not be identified.
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:07 AM
May 2022

That's why on Politico got it.

Ocelot II

(128,029 posts)
7. I've been wondering that myself, but maybe it's because leaking it to
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:08 AM
May 2022

an outlet like Fox or the Washington Examiner or WSJ would have made the source too obvious. Politico isn't a hard-core RW publication; taken as a whole it's pretty middle of the road (it's even been characterized as moderately left-leaning, https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politico-media-bias). But a right-winger also probably wouldn't have leaked to NYT or WaPo, which they hate, though a liberal might.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. I think it was an inside job with 2 fold opportunities for Politico.
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:21 AM
May 2022

Politico never misses an opportunity to play against the two major Parties.

I see the leak to Politico has now evolved into campaigning against our Democratic Leaders.
The Party they prefer to burn down.

That's Politico!

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
4. There seems to be many, very varied, conflicting, wide ranging opinions on the leak.
Thu May 5, 2022, 09:54 AM
May 2022

Yet, so many of these opinions are very, very adamantly certain, that their particular opinion is the correct one.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,368 posts)
5. My bet is on Neil Gorsuch turning.
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:02 AM
May 2022

Alito, Thomas, Cavanaugh, and Barrett will happily strip away rights of every woman/girl of child bearing age of their rights.

These Justices do not care about the human toll of misery of pregnancies gone wrong, miscarriages, rape of young girls, etc. They can look at their daughters and granddaughters, thinking they are saving them, only to DOOM them in the long run.

They DISGUST me.

Docreed2003

(18,669 posts)
8. It's should have been plainly evident
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:09 AM
May 2022

When the right came out with IDENTICAL talking points. This was orchestrated with intent.

That being said, the anger and opposition from our side should in no way be diminished by whether the leak was from the right or left

wnylib

(25,351 posts)
15. Exactly. I agree with Jen Psaki.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:18 AM
May 2022

It's the content that matters. We should not get sidetracked by who leaked it.

usaf-vet

(7,721 posts)
13. The RWNJ have a different target for the leak.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:08 AM
May 2022

Newsmax host accuses Ketanji Brown Jackson of leaking Roe draft before she's sworn in

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216662251

BumRushDaShow

(162,518 posts)
16. I had been trying to find the WSJ editorial
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:21 AM
May 2022

so am glad someone finally posted a link. The closest I found was one by Ham Rove from what ended up being a day after the one referenced (April 27, 2022) that broached the subject as well. So it wouldn't surprise me if the whole RW strategist cabal already had a copy and worked through it to come up with the talking points.

I.e. -

How Badly Will the Democrats Lose the Midterm Elections?
A long list of variables will determine if 2022 is more of a freeway pileup or Krakatoa.


By Karl Rove
April 27, 2022 5:28 pm ET



(snip)

Democrats believe that if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, it will ignite a surge in Democratic turnout. Maybe. But what if the court instead allows states to ban abortion only after 15 weeks? This might not cause the stir Democrats need. A recent survey by this paper found that 48% of voters support a 15-week abortion ban while 44% oppose it, not exactly a big winner for Democrats.

(snip)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/karl-rove-how-badly-will-the-democrats-lose-approval-rating-biden-senate-house-races-midterm-2022-election-inflation-build-back-better-student-debt-11651091790

Mr. Sparkle

(3,533 posts)
23. i hate to be pedantic but who cares where the leak came from
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:10 PM
May 2022

its the rights effort to drown out the contents of the leak and to change the narrative

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