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Wed May 4, 2022, 12:44 PM May 2022

Alito's surprised there's little mention of abortion in a 4k word, 1787 document crafted by 58 men

...from New Yorker:

There is little mention of abortion in a four-thousand-word document crafted by fifty-five men in 1787. This seems to be a surprise to Samuel Alito. -by Jill Lepore

WITHIN a matter of months, women in about half of the United States may be breaking the law if they decide to end a pregnancy. This will be, in large part, because Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito is surprised that there is so little written about abortion in a four-thousand-word document crafted by fifty-five men in 1787. As it happens, there is also nothing at all in that document, which sets out fundamental law, about pregnancy, uteruses, vaginas, fetuses, placentas, menstrual blood, breasts, or breast milk. There is nothing in that document about women at all. Most consequentially, there is nothing in that document—or in the circumstances under which it was written—that suggests its authors imagined women as part of the political community embraced by the phrase “We the People.” There were no women among the delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were no women among the hundreds of people who participated in ratifying conventions in the states. There were no women judges. There were no women legislators. At the time, women could neither hold office nor run for office, and, except in New Jersey, and then only fleetingly, women could not vote. Legally, most women did not exist as persons.

Because these facts appear to surprise Alito, abortion is likely to become a crime in at least twenty states this spring. “The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision,” Alito wrote, in a leaked draft of the Supreme Court’s majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization...

...Alito’s opinion rests almost exclusively on a bizarre and impoverished historical analysis. “The Constitution makes no express reference to a right to obtain an abortion, and therefore those who claim that it protects such a right must show that the right is somehow implicit in the constitutional text,” he argues, making this observation repeatedly. Roe, he writes, was “remarkably loose in its treatment of the constitutional text” and suffers from one error above all: “it held that the abortion right, which is not mentioned in the Constitution, is part of a right to privacy, which is also not mentioned.”


Alito cites a number of eighteenth-century texts; he does not cite anything written by a woman, and not because there’s nothing available. “The laws respecting woman,” Mary Wollstonecraft wrote in “A Vindication of the Rights of Woman,” in 1791, “make an absurd unit of a man and his wife, and then, by the easy transition of only considering him as responsible, she is reduced to a mere cypher.” She is but a part of him. She herself does not exist but is instead, as Wollstonecraft wrote, a “non-entity.”

If a right isn’t mentioned explicitly in the Constitution, Alito argues, following a mode of reasoning known as the history test, then it can only become a right if it can be shown to be “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.” As I have argued, the history test disadvantages people who were not enfranchised at the time the Constitution was written, or who have been poorly enfranchised since then. Especially important is the question of who was enfranchised at the time of the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, in 1868, the nation’s second founding, since many arguments defending abortion rights (and many other rights, too) turn on the equal-protection and due-process clauses of that amendment. Here, too, Alito is baffled to discover so little about abortion and women. Referring to the advocates for Jackson Women’s Health Organization and to amicus briefs like one signed by the American Historical Association, Alito writes, “Not only are respondents and their amici unable to show that a constitutional right to abortion was established when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, but they have found no support for the existence of an abortion right that predates the latter part of the 20th century—no state constitutional provision, no statute, no judicial decision, no learned treatise.”

Alito, shocked—shocked—to discover so little in the law books of the eighteen-sixties guaranteeing a right to abortion, has missed the point: hardly anything in the law books of the eighteen-sixties guaranteed women anything. Because, usually, they still weren’t (regarded by the Constitution or law as) persons.

read more: https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-there-are-no-women-in-the-constitution
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Alito's surprised there's little mention of abortion in a 4k word, 1787 document crafted by 58 men (Original Post) bigtree May 2022 OP
There's also no mention of "pregnancy" either viva la May 2022 #1
The constitution doesn't reference children either. jmbar2 May 2022 #2
Alito is a fucking idiot and a liar. fightforfreedom May 2022 #3
At the time the Constitution was written, abortion--to the point of "quickening"--was legal. MissMillie May 2022 #4
its also of interest that the states cited by Alito as his justification don't ban abortion outright bigtree May 2022 #5
Brilliant piece, well written and very informative msfiddlestix May 2022 #6
i'm surprised there hasn't been more ridicule that MadameButterfly May 2022 #7

viva la

(4,348 posts)
1. There's also no mention of "pregnancy" either
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:59 PM
May 2022

And weirdly, they never mention jet planes, the internet, vaccinations, and billionaires.
They never mention sunshine or rain either.

jmbar2

(7,384 posts)
2. The constitution doesn't reference children either.
Wed May 4, 2022, 01:03 PM
May 2022
There are 194 nations in the world with federal Constitutions. 170 of them mention children. The United States Constitution is one of the 24 that does not.


https://www.capita.org/capita-ideas/2021/9/2/the-rights-of-children-in-america-do-we-need-a-constitutional-amendment
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
3. Alito is a fucking idiot and a liar.
Wed May 4, 2022, 01:16 PM
May 2022

Remember when Obama called out their decision on Citizens United? One of the most dishonest decisions in our history, Alito looked like he was crapping his robe.

MissMillie

(39,471 posts)
4. At the time the Constitution was written, abortion--to the point of "quickening"--was legal.
Wed May 4, 2022, 01:20 PM
May 2022

Not much point in mentioning it... especially considering none of the authors of the Constitution had to be too concerned with it.

bigtree

(93,046 posts)
5. its also of interest that the states cited by Alito as his justification don't ban abortion outright
Wed May 4, 2022, 01:32 PM
May 2022
Aaron Tang @AaronTangLaw May 3
Reminder: When Alito claims that the rt to abortion is not "deeply rooted history or tradition" because "28 out of 37 states" banned it throughout pregnancy when the 14A was ratified, he is either being ignorant or willfully deceitful. His own appendix gives him away!

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Two of the states he includes in the 28 count and quoted in his own appendix only forbade abortion via dangerous poisons, not via common surgical procedures. See Nebraska (@ p.82) (abortion via "poison or other noxious" substance)) & Louisiana (@ p.76 (via "drug or potion" )

In other states, abortion statutes merely codified the longstanding common law rule of punishing abortions after quickening (@ roughly 15-16 weeks), but not before. E.g., Alito counts Oregon's ban on abortions on "any woman pregnant with child" as applying throughout pregnancy.

But Oregon's prosecutors admitted in the Oregon Supreme Court (!!) that "abortion is not a crime unless it results in the death of a . . . quick fetus." I.e., to ordinary ppl in the 19th century, being "pregnant with child" meant a quickened pregnancy. See https://cite.case.law/or/53/304/

Alabama's on Alito's 28-count, too. But that completely ignores the Alabama Supreme Court's ruling in 1857 that under the state's abortion statute, abortion was "not punishable by law" unless the mother was "quick with child." See https://cite.case.law/ala/31/45/

Other mistakes abound. Alito cites an incorrect version of the Virginia statute. He counts Florida even though its abortion ban was enacted after the 14th Amendment. I detail all of the errors here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3921358

msfiddlestix

(8,143 posts)
6. Brilliant piece, well written and very informative
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:46 PM
May 2022

I don't know who wrote this piece published in the New Yorker, but the writer is deserving of high praise and all the accolades in the legal community.



MadameButterfly

(3,627 posts)
7. i'm surprised there hasn't been more ridicule that
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:28 PM
May 2022

Alito cites a barrister from the 1600's in his opinion. If he has to go back that far to support his opinion, how desperate must he be? There wasn't even democracy back then. Anywhere. Rights came and went as monarchs pleased. Are we going to look to 400 year old kings, czars, and cheiftans to decide our laws?

Anyone want to examine the rights of women in the 17th century? There are a few problems there beyond abortion.

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