How did Eric Boehlert die?

[Kid Berwyn]

Anyone have a link to the facts?

I understand the journalist was hit by a New Jersey commuter train while bicycling, Monday, April 4 around 10 p.m., but have not been able to find a police report, even a single eyewitness statement, nor any stills or video that shed light on how the tragedy actually happened.

As a citizen and compatriot, I need to know what happened. Boehlert was more than one of the good guys covering and analyzing the mass media. He told the truth, and particularly spelled out how Trump and the GOP get a pass, while Biden and the Democrats get the screw.

[Mad_Machine76]

1. Are you suggesting

something more nefarious than what was reported?

[Kid Berwyn]

5. Wondering why we don't have the facts.

Having covered the criminal justice system myself, waiting a week for a police statement is a little long for a pedestrian-train accident.

[Strelnikov_]

18. Hit by a train, bicycling at 10 pm

I could see it happening. Had a few drinks, trying to beat a train at a crossing. Been there.

Electrified commuter train? (Quiet, I use hearing quite a bit in surviving in urban combat riding).

Or, is being hit by a train at 10 pm the new falling out of a window.

[Nevilledog]

84. Had a few drinks? Why add something, totally unsupported, that smears Boehlert?

[ForgedCrank]

108. I didn't

take it that way. It's just one of the possibilities. There's nothing evil about having a few drinks.
Even if he did, I wouldn't consider it a smear. It was an unfortunate and terrible thing that happened and no one really knows why, at least not publicly.

[Strelnikov_]

151. Thanks. I have biked many a time after a few drinks. Nothing illegal

But because I bike in the urban combat environment for pleasure, commute and running errands, I understand the need to be on top of your game at all times to be safe.

Have a few drinks with work colleagues, riding home, feeling good, just being a little slower on the perception part.

For me, I am at my most dangerous leaving work some days, with some problem I was still working on still taking too much of my CPU that should be working on threat detection.

Bout bought the farm Friday afternoon. Riding my cargo bike to the store to buy some aluminum stock. Riding down a bike trail adjacent to the main drag. Idiot turns right in front of me, passed within 3 ft. in front. If I happened to be woolgathering, or had had a beer, may have been enough to slow my reaction.

[drmeow]

191. In Santa Barbara people

routinely got tickets for RWI - riding while intoxicated. It was considered as serious a charge as a DWI. So, actually, it can be illegal in a lot of places.

Edit to fix typos

[RobinA]

183. I Didn't Either

Getting hit by a train on a bike struck me as odd. Riding a bike at 10p struck me as dangerous. A few drinks might explain it a little bit.

[RAB910]

209. He belongs to the Montclair social club which is near the accident

could he have been biking rather than driving home because he was planning on drinking while he was there? Sorry, but getting hit by a train is the fault of the person being hit nearly every time, the trains do one thing, run on their tracks. The crossing gates and alarms were in working order

[brush]

86. Hit by a train on a bike is unusual to say the least.

People who bike regularly develop heightened skills for being aware of what's around them on all sides as it's critical for survival in traffic, being the most vulnerable ones in said traffic.

A TRAIN? A TRAIN? NOT BEING AWARE OF A BIG 'EFFIN', LOUD ASS TRAIN?

Come on.

Something seems fishy.

[Effete Snob]

100. Why do you assume he did not fall first?

You are assuming he was on the bike when hit. Why?

Railroad crossings can be hazardous not because of the trains, but because of the way they are sometimes laid out, with metal plates and other wheel-catchers.

It was wet that evening. If he had slipped and fallen, the. He could have been injured or disoriented and been hit.

But you eliminate that possibility.

[brush]

102. Why do you assume he fell first? All questions need to be answered.

[Effete Snob]

109. I don't

You apparently don’t understand how logic works.

You made an affirmative statement about how aware he should have been that a train is coming.

Your scenario utterly ignores the very common fact that railroad crossings are cycling hazards, even without the trains.

Because the intersection in question has crossing gates, it suggests he was on the tracks before they came down, and for some reason was unable to get out of the way. There is an obvious and common reason why that may be.

Explain how one plans to intercept a cyclist and get them onto railroad tracks against their will, and does so with confidence there will be no witnesses?

[brush]

111. And you seem to be saying he wasn't aware that RR crossing...

are hazardous and thus would act accordingly.

Ridiculous. Is that how your logic works?

[Effete Snob]

115. Cyclist fall at grade crossings all of the tine

I did a metric century yesterday and almost bought it on a metal grate bridge.

Who said anything about not being aware of the crossing?

People fall off bikes all of the time, even experienced cyclists. Watch a bike race some time, since you apparently don’t ride.

Now will you explain how one intercepts a cyclist and gets them into the path of train against their will, on the assumption no one will see it - as opposed to an infinitely large set of alternative ways to kill someone with lower risk of detection.

Or are you going to do the Alex Jones thing and see it his widow eventually sues you for using her husband as a prop in your nonsense?

[brush]

119. WTH is wrong with an investigation to find out how it happened instead...

of just accepting a report that a cyclist was killed by a train at approximately xx:xx pm?

[Effete Snob]

124. The NTSB is conducting one

Are you doing this investigation?

No.

As I have said multiple times already this is a rail accident. It will be investigated by the NTSB. They will issue a full report, ride down to the cameras on the train if any.

You, on the other hand, have a problem with waiting for that investigation to conclude.

So ask yourself what’s wrong with an investigation, since you are the one who seems unable to await the results of it.

[brush]

129. If there's an investigation going on, good. You stated that to me in what post...

before this one?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

128. WTH is this with assuming there is not already an investigation? . . . nt

[brush]

131. If there is, good. Much better than just accepting a report that a cyclist...

was hit by a train and killed at approximately xx:xx pm on April xx and that's that. Agreed?

That's what the OP is about.

[Effete Snob]

134. If an animal say "moo"

Do you think “horse”?

Maybe it’s a horse that says “moo”.

[brush]

138. Ok. You're makiing more and more sense.

[Effete Snob]

139. Unsurprising you are unfamiliar with this type of thing.

It’s a common form of Occam’s Razor…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_(medicine)

[brush]

142. Ok, again. Cyclist hit by a train and dies. Case closed.

Go with that.

[Effete Snob]

146. Enjoy your bubble

The case is not closed.

Again, as I have stated several times, the NTSB investigates all rail deaths.

You have a need not to wait for the case to be closed.

However, rail crossing accidents are not uncommon.

I defy you to find a single case, ever, of someone being murdered by somehow being placed against their will at a grade crossing (not a platform).

So, yes, pending extraordinary evidence that something truly extraordinary happened, I will assume it was an accident, because that is a common occurrence. I will change my mind with additional information.

Do you have any information suggesting otherwise? Or do you have a single instance of someone being murdered at a grade crossing?

No, you do not.

[BlackSkimmer]

153. Good luck.

I truly don’t understand this need to believe in conspiracies.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

170. Why wouldn't there be an investigation?

And, so far, the family hasn't given ANY indication that this was anything other than an accident.

[BlackSkimmer]

154. He may have tried to beat it. Then caught a wheel and fell.

Very easy to do.

I don’t trust rail crossings and even when younger I walked my bike across, but I had a friend who used to dodge the arms and zip across. He thought it great fun, but it’s just a stupid thing to do.

[brush]

155. Ok.

[TheBlackAdder]

202. My BIL used to do triathlons, was riding last month and started to lose consciousness, hit a car.

.

It took him 15 minutes to fully regain consciousness, he saw himself approaching the car and witnesses say he seemed out of it.

He broke this right ankle, sprained the other, broke 3 ribs on the right, fucked up his right arm and shoulder.


There are all kinds of cyclists hitting stuff on YouTube, even parked cars.

.

[brush]

204. A commute has what to do with a triathlon?

[TheBlackAdder]

205. He's a fit cyclist and he even drove into a parked car. There might have been medical factor.

.

The car was not parked curbside, but in a space off the roadway.

Eric might of had a lapse for a brief moment prior to the accident.

It might have also been a form of target fixation where he was focused on the ride and not surroundings.

.

[gldstwmn]

211. My ex husband was hit by a train on his bicycle. It was broad daylight.

It was a commuter train that runs to the airport that doesn't have any pedestrian gates that runs along a busy thoroughfare. I honestly don't know if he rode into the train on purpose or if he was trying to beat it. He was like that. It wasn't until we got the toxicology report back that we found that he was massively impaired at the time. There was also video that his siblings went and watched because they wondered if someone was chasing him or something. Other people had been hit there too. The train isn't actually loud at all. The one that isn't too far from my house that hauls all the natural gas that has been fracked is an old school BNSF train that is much louder. But since they haven't been fracking as much or at all it isn't running as much now.

[Effete Snob]

101. The local police don't have jurisdiction

This is a rail accident. The NTSB takes its time.

[brooklynite]

2. WHY do you need to know what happened?

How will knowing change anything?

[Kid Berwyn]

7. Democracy depends on the truth.

That’s why the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The press is the ONLY business mentioned in the Constitution. When an important journalist dies in what’s called “an accident,” I need to know that it was an accident.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

8. Is there ANY evidence that this wasn't an accident? nt

[Kid Berwyn]

11. I don't know.

That’s why I wrote the OP. No authority has reported what actually happened.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. Welp,

until I hear otherwise, then it was a tragic accident.

[brush]

105. That's what needs to be understood. Was it an accident or not?

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[brooklynite]

44. Did you bother to research this at all?

A release from NJ Transit on Tuesday reported that a train on the Montclair Boonton Line struck and killed an adult male on a bicycle Monday evening "prior to" the Watchung Avenue station between its 8:59 departure from Hoboken and its scheduled arrival in Hackettstown at 11:07 p.m.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/essex/montclair/2022/04/06/eric-boehlert-killed-train-montclair-nj/9485476002/

Is the commuter rail system part of a cover-up?

Link to tweet

Is she?

[Kid Berwyn]

53. Where in any of that are the facts? The details? The circumstances?

A bicyclist was hit by our train between 8:59 and 11:07 and died in an accident.

OK. How did that happen?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

57. How did it happen?

He either was on the tracks, or he got hit crossing the tracks.
You're attempting, rather badly, to make this accident seem like maybe something else without ANY evidence of any criminality.

[Kid Berwyn]

60. You are attempting to say I wrote or implied that.

I asked what happened, exactly?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

65. And then you proceeded to post about CIA assassination techniques.

[Kid Berwyn]

67. To show you that pros have a book on it.

Ever hear of ZR/RIFLE?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

72. From 60 years ago?

Again, you're attempting, rather badly, to make this out to be something it's highly likely it's not, there's not one shred of evidence so far that this is nothing more than a tragic accident.

Not even his family is speculating that this was something other.

[Kid Berwyn]

78. I like the emoji.

Reminds me of when people are unable to discuss the facts.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

80. What facts?????

You're the one that veered off into CT land, not us.

[Effete Snob]

110. There is a type...

…which believes they are clever by reflexively treating everything as some kind of plot.

Yeah, a team of assassins, who could just as easily shot the guy and rode off, came up with this plan to intercept him on his ride, and then somehow restrain him and throw him into the path of a train, when nobody was looking (really good luck on that part).

[onenote]

83. Actually we know the approximate time: 9:40

The accident was reported on by the local media even before anyone knew the identity of the victim and train service was suspended at that time. Per this story, NJ Transit reported the accident to have occurred at "approximately" 9:40 pm

https://baristanet.com/2022/04/cyclist-fatally-struck-by-train-monday-near-montclairs-watchung-station/


The train left Hoboken at 8:59 (one minute later than its scheduled departure time of 8:58 per the publicly available timetable). It was scheduled to reach Hackettstown at 11:07 with a number of stops in between. One of those stops was Wachtung Station. Again, according to the publicly available NJ Transit schedule, the 8:59 train from Hoboken was due to reach Wachtung at 9:34. NJ Transit's release specifies that the bicyclist was hit just before that station. It's possible that it was running a few minutes late, which might explain the reference to "approximately 9:40" -- it also simply might reflect a couple of minute lag between the moment the accident occurred and it being reported to NJ Transit officials.

See what a bit of research will do?

[brooklynite]

56. Fact: he was hit by a train. Riding a bicycle.

[Baitball Blogger]

17. LOL!

The man was a news person, always digging, looking for facts to keep us informed. You would think it would be homage to his life's work if we showed interest in how he died.

[Kid Berwyn]

35. His last report...

Why is the press rooting against Biden?

Burying great news

Eric Boehlert
Press Run, April 4, 2022

Like clockwork, the first Friday of the month brought another blockbuster jobs report. The U.S. economy under President Joe Biden added another 400,000-plus new jobs in March, it was announced last week.

Biden is currently on pace, during his first two full years in office, to oversee the creation of 10 million new jobs and an unemployment rate tumbling all the way down to 3 percent. That would be an unprecedented accomplishment in U.S. history. Context: In four years in office, Trump lost three million jobs, the worst record since Herbert Hoover.

Yet the press shrugs off the good news, determined to keep Biden pinned down. “The reality is that one strong jobs report does not snap the administration out of its current circumstances,” Politico stressed Friday afternoon. How about 11 straight strong job reports, would that do the trick? Because the U.S. economy under Biden has been adding more than 400,000 jobs per month for 11 straight months.

The glaring disconnect between reality and how the press depicts White House accomplishments means a key question lingers: Why is the press rooting against Biden? Is the press either hoping for a Trump return to the White House, or at least committed to keeping Biden down so the 2024 rematch will be close and ‘entertaining’ for the press to cover? Is that why the Ginni Thomas insurrection story was politely marched off the stage after just a few days of coverage last week by the same news outlets that are now in year three of their dogged Hunter Biden reporting? (“ABC This Week” included 19 references to Hunter Biden yesterday.)

Continues…

https://pressrun.media/p/is-the-press-rooting-against-biden?s=r

[MarineCombatEngineer]

39. And this is supposed to mean................What?

[Kid Berwyn]

42. It is his last article.

Also shows he was a good writer.

Why do you ask?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. He was more than a good writer,

he was an excellent writer.

The vast majority of the time an accident is just that, an accident, as this seems to be the case.

[brooklynite]

48. He died in a bicycle accident, being hit by a train.

Again, what more do you need to know?

[WhiteTara]

140. how could he not hear the train?

[brooklynite]

144. Maybe he did and thought he could get across.

Thousands of people got hit by trains. You could ask the same question about them.

[Effete Snob]

150. "Thousands of people get hit by trains"

How many people are murdered at grade crossings by being positioned against their will in front of trains?

(And not station platforms)

Like, how often does that happen?

[brooklynite]

159. You have evidence of that? Have you shared it with the police?

[Effete Snob]

162. Evidence of what?

I thought you had some familiarity with railroad operations.

So, I asked you how often, to your knowledge, are people murdered at grade crossings.

My assumption would be pretty much never.

What is it you are asking me about evidence of? I asked you a question.

Did you reply to the wrong post?

I posted two statements ending in question marks. I’m puzzled by your response.

[brooklynite]

164. I interpreted you coming from the other direction

Far too many people leaping into the conspiracy theory pool in this thread.

[Effete Snob]

166. Would you mind answering then?

Now that you understand my post, perhaps you might venture an answer.

[brooklynite]

168. As a professional, I'd say none...

But what if I’m part of the evil conspiracy, planted here to allay suspicions?

(that was sarcasm(

[Effete Snob]

169. So, what you are saying...

…is that every one of the grade crossing murders is successfully covered up.

No wonder they chose this method.

[WhiteTara]

167. I do.

[treestar]

187. It might change how a person rides a bike

Of course people want to know how accidents happen.

I had the same thought as OP. He was on a bike and hit by a train. How did that come to pass?

Natural human curiosity. Same reason people slow down to look at the aftermath of an accident.

[brooklynite]

190. That would be a reasonable response, but not the one I got...

When an important journalist dies in what’s called “an accident,” I need to know that it was an accident.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

3. I don't understand your thread,

are you suggesting that there was some criminality involved?

If so, then what would lead you to believe that?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. Yeeeaaahhh,

I'm not going down that CT path, but you're more than welcome to.

Good luck with that.

[Celerity]

14. please take this to Creative Speculation, it is wandering into CT territory

[Kid Berwyn]

16. Really?

Show me where I’m speculating or rumor mongering.

[Celerity]

23. hired assassins? really?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. Yeah, that's definitely wandering into CT land.

[Kid Berwyn]

29. No, that's from CIA's "A Study of Assassination."

Read it in its entirety at GWU’s National Security Archives:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/ciaguat2.html

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. You're attempting to suggest that Eric's death was something other than an accident

by posting something from the CIA handbook or whatever, that's CT land.

As I said, good luck with that.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. It is pure speculation to post about assassination, and disingenuous to say "I'm not speculating!"

For example:

Many rappers use the name 'Kid' something or other as a stage name.

"No I'm not speculating! I'm not saying you are a rapper!"

That's like saying to somebody, "Don't think of elephants!" and acting all surprised when they started talking about elephants.

[iemanja]

182. It specifically named Boehlert?

Of course not. Just because it has existed in history doesn't mean they somehow engineered a cyclist being hit by a TRAIN. You need more important things to worry about.

[Kid Berwyn]

26. Now you're putting words in my OP.

Wish I could write I’m surprised.

[Celerity]

28. you just made a post about professional assassins, I put nothing on your mouth

Wish I could write I’m surprised.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Kid Berwyn]

30. You want to shut down discussion of Boehlert's death.

So show where I’m wrong.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. Nobody is attempting to shut down discussions on Boehlert's death,

we're pointing out that there is no evidence of anything other than tragic accident, you're the one wandering into CT land with your post about the CIA assassination techniques.

[Celerity]

36. Lol, show me where I doing that. I am calling out speculation by you wherein you are injecting

the possibility of professional assassins into the narrative.

Me calling that out as creative speculation is discussing his death.

I never once said shut the investigation down, nor discussing it. Part of discussion involves critique of theories.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. No. We are trying to get you back on an even keel where you started in your OP. . . . nt

[blm]

62. Actually, that post was a reply to the post

that accidents are just accidents. So, Kid’s reply was appropriate.

Sometimes cocaine deals are just cocaine deals till a reporter (Gary Webb) and a Senator uncover it as a CIA operation. Gary Webb committed ‘suicide’ under questionable circumstances.

No one is saying CIA caused Eric’s accident, only that it’s possible someone with malice towards him could have.

[Celerity]

70. the post they replied did not say 'accidents are just accidents'. so that is non starter

I one hundred per cent stand by everything I have posted in this thread.

[blm]

79. Earlier in that exchange.

“The vast majority of the time an accident is just that, an accident, as this seems to be the case.”

No one and not Kid B is saying that CIA caused the accident. His reply is that accidents like this are also part of the set list for some evil players.

When Wellstone and Webb died we didn’t attack those questioning the circumstances. Most of us understood why the questions were being asked.

[Celerity]

87. again you are making errors in the construction of your argument

you said

Earlier in that exchange.

there was no 'earlier in that exchange'

the poster replied to the THIRD post (the first reply made by MarineCombatEngineer) in the entire OP thread

here



here are the only 2 replies before that one reply number 3, neither of which said accidents are just accidents






the reply you are referring when you referenced this:

“The vast majority of the time an accident is just that, an accident, as this seems to be the case.”

was the 46th reply in the thread, and was never even replied to by anyone




Also you said this

No one and not Kid B is saying that CIA caused the accident.

I do not know why you are directing this at me, as I myself never brought up the CIA. The OP did via using their manual to show examples.

I never once said that I think the OP is claiming the CIA did that. To claim that I did is false.

finally, you said this

When Wellstone and Webb died we didn’t attack those questioning the circumstances. Most of us understood why the questions were being asked.

I was not attacking 'questioning the circumstances'

I was critiquing speculation that tried to inject a theory about the possibility of professional assassins being involved.

[blm]

97. I am reading the thread as it appears.

And as it appears, not in exact order, there is a consistent attack on Kid that is out of proportion to what he actually posted. His reply about accidents was not off base for a political discussion forum. Has it been decided that there are no dark forces working against democracy these days, so, accidents are no longer questioned here at DU?

When it’s read as a thread from top to bottom some of you are coming off as unnecessarily mean and nitpicking. That is the general overview, imo.

Your overthetop reply here to me as if you are being singled out about a thread full of replies is just absurd nitpicking. I will make note for the future, however, that you are not receptive to the general view of posters being used in a reply to the specific you.

Nitpick away.

[Celerity]

113. Revisionist framing of the events that transpired, and that I have already documented in

both detail and specificity with you.

My critique had nothing to do with not asking questions nor did I ever say that debate need to be closed down.

I simply stated that the injection into the narrative of possibilities that professional assassins might be involved was, IMHO, creative speculation.

Your overthetop reply here to me as if you are being singled out

I never said anything of the kind, I asked why you were asking me about or asserting things I never stated nor implied.

I am not other posters' keeper. If you had issues with them then perhaps direct it to them directly, or make a general reply to the OP.

There was nothing 'OTT' about my reply, it was a cogently constructed and detailed refutation of what you claimed.

[blm]

130. As I said, in future I'll be more mindful of

your sensitivity to use of your posts to address a collective pile on.

Plain. As. Day.

[Celerity]

148. Many posters will take issue with being implied to have done, or asked about things they did not do.

It is not any sort of particularly unique 'sensitivity' from my end.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. False accusation. You wrote "Professional assassins ..." & Celerity wrote "hired assassins? really?"

[Effete Snob]

197. Maybe they were professionals, but assassinating in their spare time

[Effete Snob]

175. Same ones that got Michael Hastings, I'd bet

Remember this one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3216093

[Celerity]

177. I am not an expert on that, I was 16, in London still, and buried in uni. I recall it vaguely.

It sounds like Michael Hastings would be hated here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)

Hastings became a vocal critic of the Obama administration, Democratic Party, and surveillance state during the 2013 Department of Justice investigations of reporters, referring to restrictions of freedom of the press as a "war" on journalism. His last story, "Why Democrats Love to Spy On Americans", was published by BuzzFeed on June 7, 2013.

[Effete Snob]

179. He had a lot of fans here

Just like Greenwood and Assange.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10023275167

We also used to have a cohort warning us about Nazis in Ukraine.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. I refer you to your Original Post where you admit you don't have facts. So post 9 is speculation

It is speculation, even if you don't say "I think ...". You wrote

Anyone have a link to the facts?

Then in post #9 you wrote

Professional assassins make death look like an accident.

That is speculation, by linking a nebulous assertion.

Like
"Have you stopped beating your wife? Just asking a question, not stating anything or speculating!"

[Kid Berwyn]

38. Right, in answer to a reply.

Split hairs or hares, I don’t care which.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

50. The question asked if you are suggesting X, you then post about X, and then get offended

... because we think that linking X was answering affirmatively that yes you were thinking about X.

are you suggesting that there was some criminality involved?
If so, then what would lead you to believe that?

To which your replied about Professional Assassins and accidents, in post 9, WITHOUT DENYING that you are thinking about assassination before and after posting about assassination.


That you don't see the implications of what you post is a bother to us. I think I might drop this thread.

[Kid Berwyn]

58. Who's not on an even keel?

I don’t tell you how or what to post.

Why do you tell me what to think and do?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

59. You

You are not on an even logical keel.

And we are not "telling you what to think". We are explaining to you how your thinking keeled over and how to recognize it.

[Celerity]

96. more non sequiturs

I don’t tell you how or what to post.

Why do you tell me what to think and do?

That other poster is doing nothing more than critiquing your theory that (via your own words) attempts to inject into the narrative the possibility of professional assassins being involved.

Pushing back on that creative speculation is certainly not telling you what to post or how to post.

It also is not telling you what to think or do.

It is simply critiquing your arguments and positings.

[USALiberal]

41. FFS, self delete! Nt

[Kid Berwyn]

47. Like a tag team.

So what did I write that bothers you?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

55. Instead of considering that so many people believe you aren't thinking logically, you get defensive

Instead of getting logical in response to posts highlighting your illogic, you get conspiratorial, again.

You are now speculating that there is a "tag team" conspiring against you.

[Effete Snob]

117. Well, duh

The same team that managed to intercept him on his ride and place him in front of a train, while being confident no one would see them, has apparently deployed a social media team to throw cold water on people that are “just asking questions” on DU.

It’s all part of the same plan.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

123. LOL. Tucker Carlson says he is "just asking questions". :) . . .nt

[Celerity]

99. No one is tag teaming, multiple posters are simply taking issue with you positings.

I can assure you that I am a poster of one, not part of some clique. I am sure that most of the people replying to you do not agree with me on everything, not even close, and certainly are not being coordinated.

[Effete Snob]

116. It's a plot!

Everything has to be a conspiracy.

[brooklynite]

52. So the professional assassins furtively got someone hired as an engineer by New Jersey Transit...

...waiting until they could take control of a train and hit a bicyclist crossing the tracks?

"Falls before trains or subway cars" refers to someone being pushed from a platform. Rarely are they riding a bicycle in such a location.

[Kid Berwyn]

74. That's why I ask.

It sounds so far-fetched, but so does using a gun that shoots ice bullets.



https://www.ft.com/content/ecd1f15a-d1ad-11e2-b17e-00144feab7de

[brooklynite]

81. You know what else sounds far-fetched?

Imagining a murder plot against a blogger who says mean things about conservatives.

[Effete Snob]

103. As you probably know

Railroad crossings present unique hazards for cyclists, and not because of the trains.

People seem to leave out the possibility that the reason he was hit by the train was because he may have fallen prior to the train’s arrival.

[Irish_Dem]

4. He was an important liberal journalist. We should at least ask some questions.

He deserves that from us.

We know there are foreign and domestic terrorists who want all liberals dead or in jail.

[Kid Berwyn]

15. Thank you.

If we don’t ask, we’re only getting one side. That’s not even close to half, let alone the whole story. And we would not be fulfilling our responsibility as citizens.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

20. Has his family said ANYTHING about this not being a tragic accident? nt

[Effete Snob]

118. Nope

Which, as these things typically go, means they’ve been threatened or bought off.

That always works, because no one ever reports threats or bribes to law enforcement.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

173. LOL.

I see what you did there.

[Irish_Dem]

21. We know Putin is capable of anything. Naive to think otherwise.

He has been threatening all kinds of horrors against the US.

[Kid Berwyn]

66. Absolutely capable of anything.

Putin has turned chemical and nuclear weapons against on his enemies.

His own behavior reveals his paranoia is justified.

KGB killer won't even take a document handed to him by a journalist...

...in a recorded TV interview.



That tells us something.

[Boomerproud]

6. It should be up to his family what details are shared.

nt

[Kid Berwyn]

19. Were it suicide, perhaps.

As it happened in public, and public agencies were called to respond, we, as the journalist’s fellow citizens and colleagues, are entitled to a report.

[Phoenix61]

68. No we aren't entitled to a report. His family is.

What he did for a living doesn’t change what we are “entitled” to.

[CrackityJones75]

73. Not real sure about that

As it happened due to an accident with public transportation, the public has a right to know what happened to know the safety of the public transportation system in play. For example, was it at a crossing? Did the safeguards fail? Etc… Those types of things the public absolutely has a right to know so that the public may review the safety of the system they are funding.

[Phoenix61]

89. Sure, the public has a right to know safety issues.

That being said, Eric was a fantastic reporter who was well liked by other fantastic reporters. If there was a story, other than a tragic accident, do you really think they would all walk away from that?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

93. That is an excellent point.

[Effete Snob]

104. And the NTSB will investigate and report

This is a rail death, so it will be investigated in great detail by the NTSB.

That is also why staging a rail accident is a particularly stupid way to kill someone.

[Phoenix61]

160. Exactly! And when the report is completed they will release it

Or some enterprising reporter will file a FOA request an then releases it.

[CrackityJones75]

174. I'm not the person to ask that.

I didn’t comment on whether or not he was assassinated. At all. I only commented on what the public has a right to know about.

[treestar]

189. Don't think so

No way an accident should be kept secret out of that kind is sensitivity.

[snowybirdie]

10. Have to admit

I've felt the same misgivings. Wouldn't hurt to just clear them up by transparency. He spoke truth to power.

[Kid Berwyn]

24. Thank you. It'll be a week tomorrow.

Pittsburgh Steeler’s QB was hit by a dump truck while crossing the Interstate on foot early Saturday. We already have the details…

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/09/sport/dwayne-haskins-steelers-death-spt-intl/index.html

[BlackSkimmer]

156. I bet Putin did it!

[BlackSkimmer]

178. But, but...why was he walking on a highway before 7 in the morning?

Who was driving the dump truck? Hmmm???

[smirkymonkey]

92. +1000

[uponit7771]

120. +1, ... and a good portion of that "power" was the M$M

[blm]

133. ✔️

[blm]

132. ✔️

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. .

have not been able to find a police report, even a single eyewitness statement, nor any stills or video that shed light on how the tragedy actually happened.

NJ Transit is leading the investigation and does not comment on active investigations, which is why you're not seeing much.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. Thank You!!!! nt

[Kid Berwyn]

40. Please post when it's available.

Thanks in advance!

[PJMcK]

34. Two thoughts

First, riding a bike at 10 pm seems a bit dangerous. It's dark and even with reflectors, a cyclist is hard to see.

Second, how does anyone get hit by a train? Assuming there isn't a nefarious assassination plot behind his death, how in the world does someone not recognize the danger of railroad tracks?! Trains are big, fast and noisy. The YouTube videos of train accidents nearly always show stupidity.

Mr. Boehlert was an excellent journalist. I'll miss his work. I believe there's more of a personal responsibility issue in this tale. It's hard to believe there was something evil behind his death. It just seems like a foolish accident.

[Kid Berwyn]

51. The shock reminded me of Gary Webb's death.

“A suicide,” that journalist had to shoot twice.

[shrike3]

180. The first was not a kill shot; it lodged in his cheek.

The second was.

I agree with Gary's friend and colleague who said, "They didn't have to kill him. He'd been destroyed. Why bother?"

[Phoenix61]

76. It's ridiculously easy to misjudge how far

away a single light is when both the light and the viewer are moving. I think he misjudged the distance and his ability to accelerate across the track.

[shrike3]

181. When I read that he was out at ten o'clock, I thought, "Yikes."

We're avid cyclists, have lights everywhere on our bikes, but even we are cautious as to when and where we ride at night. We also live in an area where there are many trains. There are any number of ways this could have happened. He might not have been paying attention. He might have thought the train was further away then it actually was. I hope he wasn't wearing ear buds. NO ONE should wear them while riding. Even on bike paths, and there are plenty of those where we live.

Mr. Boehlert may have simply made a mistake.

Still can't believe how hard his death hit me. It was like losing someone I knew personally.

[RAB910]

210. He belongs to the Montclair social club which is near the accident

likely riding home after a few drinks at the club

[Historic NY]

49. You do know the Federal Railroad Administration has jurisdiction

So NJ Transit Police would be working with them.
https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/accident-data-reporting-and-investigations]

[Kid Berwyn]

54. No, I had not read that.

Thank you for the information or, in my case, news.

[Carlitos Brigante]

63. My guess is the impact with tons of metal going at a certain speed

caused massive shock and trauma to his body. But I'm no scientist.

[brooklynite]

64. As a transportation professional, allow me to offer some perspective.

1. Trains go very fast.

2. Trains going very fast can’t slow down quickly.

3. People try to cross train tracks without being aware of how close a train is.

4. Sometime people crossing tracks get hit by trains.

[Effete Snob]

106. Two things

This is a light rail commuter line approaching within two blocks of the station, so it wasn’t going full speed.

Another thing is that cyclists often have trouble with railroad grade crossings.

The primary incident may not have involved a train.

[FloridaBlues]

69. Maybe wearing head phone or portable iPhone ear pieces listening to podcast?

I wear them all the time while outside doing stuff. Hard to hear every thing around you.
It’s a great loss no matter.

[FelineOverlord]

71. Montclair is a great, liberal, and diverse town

Very popular with celebrities. Stephen Colbert lives here. Mikie Sherrill is our rep.

Friends say Eric Boehlert had a 'beautiful life' in Montclair, and his death is a shock

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/essex/montclair/2022/04/07/eric-boehlert-bike-accident-train-killed-montclair-remembers/9494951002/

Memorial Service and Scholarship For Montclair Journalist Eric Boehlert

https://baristanet.com/2022/04/memorial-service-and-scholarship-for-montclair-journalist-eric-boehlert/

[Sympthsical]

75. Maybe his family doesn't want details released

Look at Bob Saget. There actually are questions about that one, but his family would rather it not be public. Why? We don't know.

One imagines if Boehlert died due to something embarrassing (alcohol, lack of situational awareness due to ear buds, trying to beat the train, etc.), the family wouldn't want that public.

All we know is he was hit by a commuter train. Whether or not we know more will probably be up to his wife.

As far as the conspiracy stuff goes (which is where this is headed despite denials), I can think of a lot more journalists who would be gone after before him if someone had murderous intent. He wasn't exactly writing about or exposing dark secrets any more than any other online writer.

[onenote]

95. Its being investigated. And investigations take time

I know that there is a strong desire for instant gratification amongst many DUers -- but in the real world, it doesn't work that way. Typically, in a train/individual accident, there is an initial report of the accident even before the name of the victim is known. Then a follow up report with the name of the victim and a statement that the incident is being investigated. How long that investigation takes depends a lot on the circumstances, but because of the possibility of charges against the railroad or the engineer, because of other issues of potential liability, because of the need to understand what happened in case remedial measures should be considered to reduce the chances of it happening in the future -- it takes time.

In this case, the accident occurred at night and outside a station stop. The possibility of video showing the accident occurring or of their being eyewitnesses is low, but presumably the investigation will consider that. It may be that the OP will never get satisfaction, not because of a cover up but because information about exactly what happened that night in the dark may simply not exist.

[kcr]

77. Back in my cycling days

I hit an old rail track. It caught my front tire and threw me off my bike, knocking me out cold. Luckily it was a defunct trolly track. I walked my bike across tracks after that.

[Effete Snob]

107. Bingo

Very common.

It was also wet that night.

People are assuming he rode into the path of the train. It is an unwarranted assumption.

[kcr]

157. If no one saw him fall

It could have easily happened that way. How tragic.

[Effete Snob]

165. That will be clear from the evidence

The train and his body will bear evidence of his position when struck.

[msfiddlestix]

82. It's disappointing to see fellow members twist your actual *question* into a CT theory.

You asked a question: paraphrasing, does anyone know more details about this accident.


sometimes it's hard to wrap our minds around a tragic accident involving an intelligent person to make such a stupid mistake as thinking they could beat an on coming train crossing the tracks on foot or on any vehicle.

if someone was drunk or whacked out on drugs or suicidal , it would make sense for a tragedy like this to occur and it happens everyday,


but yeah, Eric Boehlert did not exude mental instability or excessive drug/alcohol abuse.. at least not on line

so how could he make such a stupid, careless mistake? It's one of those mysteries in life we encounter with family, friends or a neighbor. And there are never any answers so we need to file it away or toss it in the universe recycle bin.

The fact that we only "knew" him and his work on line, doesn't mean we knew him in life. He may have had a few that altered his perceptions. We're likely never going to know those answers, only his family and friends.

[Sympthsical]

88. The OP posted about CIA assassins in thread

At that point, it wasn't subtext. It was just text.

[msfiddlestix]

193. I didn't read it that way, I read a question being asked, seeking an answer.

maybe it would have been better if the question were simply stated sans historical accounts of similar incidents in order to avoid distracting from the question at hand along with CT accusations subject to harsh reactions and potentially alerted on.

The weird thing about this phenom, if we were opining on potential motives in response various sociopathic statements, actions comments of any GQP operative and/or office holder, MTG, Gaetz, Cruz, Graham, Moscow Mitch, TFG etc etc etc, meh. no problemo, we're all standing together.

But golly gee, questions asked about an explicable tragic accident resulting in a death of a well regarded journalist... automatically it's no longer a question seeking an answer, it's attacked and labeled as a conspiracy theory. I see it all the time.

I understand why it's important to monitor ourselves and excessive restraint in speculation, after all we're constantly facing off outrageous attacks by an array of fantasists and operatives who use it as political warfare cooking up all manner of evil scenarios.

but we can't pretend like there is no history of genuinely cooked up assassination plots by our own intelligence communities (full spectrum) Right this moment we have learned of an on-going and extremely significant threat to our President and Vice President's Secret Service detail. How do we explain that situation to ourselves and among each other, without being accused of engaging in CT?

Do we simply ignore it, keep our own counsel, do not engage the subject with others, x our fingers and hope all is in good hand?

If I want to express my fears and angst concerning this matter, will I be accused of Speculative Conspiracy theory? and maybe ridiculed, shamed and alerted on?

Just to be clear, I'm extremely concerned but I try not to go there privately or publicly.

[Celerity]

214. I was not the OP part, it was when they went all CT (professional assassins, etc) in the replies:

Post 9

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216580632#post9

(that is where it all started, no one was taking any issue until then)

[uponit7771]

122. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[UnderThisLaw]

85. I see

they’re all over this thread, because of nothing more than an honest question.

It’s already been noticed that this is disappointing, though it’s hardly surprising

[Iggo]

90. Well, it's a question anyway.

[UnderThisLaw]

91. As yours

is a reply, if nothing else

[Saoirse9]

94. I'm curious about this myself

It was actually the first thought to pop into my head. They were calling it a bicycle accident and then we learned he was hit by a train after dark.

Just doesn't make sense to me. Why would he fool around on the train tracks after dark?

I used to live in that area and took NJ Transit every day. Unless they replaced the trains with silent ones since then, those trains are loud as hell. Why would he stay on the track with a train screaming toward him? Did his foot get stuck?

[uponit7771]

126. +1, also was there anyone operating the train!? The question is valid

[onenote]

149. From the outset it was reported there were crew on board the train.

I'm unaware of NJ Transit trains that don't have operators.

Was the operator paying attention? Was there something he/she could've done to avoid the accident? Those are the sorts of questions an investigation likely will cover -- and its why the investigation won't be done in less than a week's time.

[brooklynite]

176. But the blogosphere demands immediate results!

[Saoirse9]

171. I doubt the train could have avoided him.

They go pretty fast and need lots of time to brake and stop.

I'm more curious about how he could have not seen and heard it coming.

Those trains are loud as hell. At night of course they have headlights.

I just don't see him trying to outrun a train.

Like I said what happened, his foot got stuck in the train track?

Someone said accidents like this happen all the time but I don't remember that from when I lived up there.

I do remember a man either jumping or falling from the steps of the train when it was in motion. I was on the train after his and they had sheets on the track . . . in a couple places. Awful.

But I don't remember a single pedestrian ever being hit. Could be I read about then completely forgot it.

[Effete Snob]

199. .

I'm still looking for the "person murdered by being pushed into grade crossing" one.

In the Salt Lake City video, take a look at the guy who goes out, and then turns around. He almost goes down when the rail catches his wheel.

[onenote]

137. "They were calling it a bicycle accident and then we learned he was hit by a train"

Huh? The reporting on this from the very start indicated that a bicyclist was hit by a train at night -- even before the victim was identified.

https://patch.com/new-jersey/montclair/nj-transit-train-fatally-strikes-man-riding-bike-montclair

And sadly, train-bicyclist accidents happen all too often. Just google train hits bicyclist.

[Saoirse9]

163. Hey I said I was curious

It wasn't an invitation to fight with me.

I'm telling you what I saw. Since I no longer live in NJ obviously I don't subscribe to patch there.

[Effete Snob]

186. Please watch this video

[Saoirse9]

194. Is that the intersection in Watchung where Boehlert crashed? n/t

[Effete Snob]

195. No, it is not

It is exemplary of "things that happen when bicycles meet railroad crossings".

The intersection itself is identified in the video, so I'm not sure why anyone would think it is in New Jersey.

Pictures of the two nearest grade crossings to Watchung station have been posted to DU, though.

Rails, particularly wet rails, present peculiar hazards:

There are even standard street signs to signal the peculiar hazards of grade crossings:





Crossing at a right angle helps, but there can still be slip hazards, particular where there are other metal plates and things like this:

This is one crossing in Montclair, NJ:



This is another crossing in Montclair NJ:



Press reports have not identified a particular street or, indeed, the press reports have not affirmatively stated whether he was at a grade crossing or perhaps attempting to cross the tracks at some other point.

The overall point is that it is not necessary to be riding into a collision with a train for this to have occurred. Getting hit by the train may simply have been secondary to the common occurrence of taking a tumble at a railroad crossing. If that happens, and one is injured or momentarily disoriented by the fall, then it may be hard to get off of the tracks in the event a train comes along.

[Saoirse9]

196. So what is your hypothesis?

Do you think he crashed and was unconscious when the train hit him?

I was being facetious when I asked if it was the same intersection. Don't be nasty.

[Effete Snob]

198. My hypothesis

Is that there are far more obvious, common, and likely reasons for a cyclist to get hit by a train, than it is for assassins to plan to find a specific cyclist who is out for a ride, and then somehow manage to catch that cyclist and put him into the path of a train against his will, and with confidence they would not be observed.

I can think of a lot of hypotheses about how a train might hit a cyclist. There are a lot of ways that could, and DOES happen.

But I'll be danged if I can envision how this works as an assassination technique.

There are umpteen dozen unsolved fatal shootings in the greater Northern NJ area. If you want to kill someone, it's best to go with something simple, reliable, and relatively foolproof.

But the bad guys in some people's imaginations act like Jame Bond villains. Nobody ever just shoots him. Nope. They have to capture him, explain their plan, set up some Rube Goldberg technique for doing him in, and then leave him alone.

So, no, you can't just steal a car and run him down. You have to somehow manage to catch him and his bike, and position them in front of a train so that they stay there while you get out of the way, and just hope nobody's around to watch or that the train has a camera, etc.. What possible sense does that make?

And the plan here starts with "Find him out on his bike at around 9:40PM." Like, just explain how that part works.

And, remember, they had to time this pretty close to when the train would be arriving at that intersection. So, they have to work out his being there with the train arriving shortly. They can't just leave him there too long before someone would notice.

[Saoirse9]

200. Still asking what your hypothesis is, cuz what you said is not a hypothesis for Boehlert

It is a hypothesis of how people can easily fall on train tracks.

Sorry but I haven't seen the specific place where Boehlert was killed. I don't know how it could happen.

You shared a film of person after person falling trying to cross an intersection that is not where he died.

I want to know how Boehlert died, not how other people fell.

[Effete Snob]

201. Well you've have to wait for the report

You want to know who else wants to know?

His survivors whose future financial security might end up depending, in part, on knowing the answer.

If there was any defective piece of railroad equipment, that could mean millions of dollars. So, it is going to be gone over by the feds quite carefully and extensively, along with all other evidence, interviewing the crew, etc..

If it was suicide, then that could mean the insurance company doesn't have to pay. So, they are going to be keenly interested in how it happened as well.

There are a lot of people with a lot of pointed interests in figuring out how Mr. Boehlert became one of the hundreds of people killed at railroad grade crossings annually.

That is why there are people whose job it is to figure these things out.

I do not have to have a specific hypothesis to hold the opinion, based on facts, that the notion he was murdered somehow is stupid.

Before I knew where babies came from, I was pretty sure that storks didn't bring them.

[Saoirse9]

203. Well then I'll wait for the report, and

poor thing, you've wasted loads of time with videos etc.

I am curious. Curious is not the same thing as believing he was murdered.

I don't know what happened and I want to know.

I am probably a little skeptical too, but again not assuming he was murdered. Just skeptical.
I can't understand how an intelligent man could not see and hear a train coming.

I can definitely see how the train wouldn't have been able to stop in time, even if the driver saw him. That is a given.

[Effete Snob]

212. Here's some more information for you

Local residents call the crossing "sketchy"

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/essex/montclair/2022/04/11/eric-boehlert-bike-accident-train-killed-montclair-nj-transit/7275044001/


NJ Transit says gates were down when Boehlert killed, but residents call crossing sketchy

Mark Montimurro, whose apartment overlooks the crossing, said that when a New York-bound train stops at the nearby Watchung Avenue station, the gates across North Fullerton go down and then rise again after about a minute, what he calls a "fakeout." As the train leaves that station and approaches North Fullerton, the gates lower again.

Evan Cutler, who lives near the crossing and often bikes through it, said "a lot of the time the arms go down and nothing happens and then they come back up. It seems very unreliable, like the boy who cried wolf," he said.

...

As of 2017, 84% of NJ Transit trains had forward-facing cameras, according to a release by the agency.

-------

So, yes, the dual-arm photo I posted is the intersection in question.

[Saoirse9]

213. Now that is a theory by gosh

If that's what happened I hope his family sue for a lot of money.

[treestar]

188. Of course. Nothing wrong with

Being curious for more details. Jumping to CT theories is absurd. Many posters just like to assume an extreme so they can jump on somebody.

[Effete Snob]

98. Because it was a train, there will be an NTSB report

[onenote]

143. Not necessarily. The Federal Railroad Administration typically investigates

And the NJ Transit has said there is an ongoing investigation.


I wouldn't expect information to be released less than a week after the incident.

[Effete Snob]

147. 49 CFR § 831.40 - Authority of NTSB in railroad, pipeline, and hazardous materials investigations.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/831.40

This is an example of one:

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/RAB2104.pdf

[Effete Snob]

112. This is why Alex Jones is being sued by Sandy Hook families

The NTSB will investigate.

Until then, perhaps hold off on using his widowed wife as a prop in your fan fiction.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

141. umm - not like Alex Jones at all. Experienced cyclist killed by train certainly raises questions.

Especially when he was a well read and respected journalist, who probably had more than a few enemies.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

114. Your simple question sure has generated a lot of kerfuffle - hmm. Makes me even more curious.

It reminds me of when Rachel Maddow was questioning trump's inauguration celebrations/party - the funkiest, most low budget one ever held, but the most expensive. Where the hell did the money go, Ms. Maddow asked repeatedly. Millions of dollars! - no other media source was even curious - UNTIL the corruption started to be revealed.

[muriel_volestrangler]

161. By reply #9, the thread starter had replied with "CIA assassinations made to look like accidents"

so no, it wasn't a "simple question".

[Celerity]

215. [phone]

[alphafemale]

121. He thought he could beat the train.

He didn't.

[uponit7771]

125. That's unusual and investigation is in order. I can't find anything in regards to NTSB investigating

... it online

[Effete Snob]

127. The NTSB takes a long time

Please identify any rail or train crash in history in which the NTSB has published jack shit within a week.

In the absence of your showing that, then your observation that they did not analyze this incident in a few days is worth exactly nothing.

[uponit7771]

135. At minimum ntsb publishes there's an investigation, I've not seen anything on it

...the announcement with search string Eric Boehlert NTSB

[onenote]

145. NTSB doesn't generally investigate bicycle train incidents

That typically is done by the Federal Railroad Administration.

Google NTSB investigation bicycle train accident and you won't find much even though bicycle train accidents sadly are not uncommon.

[Effete Snob]

152. Nope

First off bike accidents are common, as are railroad crossing accidents, which the NTSB investigates:

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/RAB2104.pdf

See that? It’s:

“ National Transportation Safety Board
Railroad Accident Brief
Union Pacific Railroad Employee Fatality”

Look at these:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22railroad+accident+brief%22

[BlackSkimmer]

158. This.

Exactly.

[leftyladyfrommo]

136. Boy, have we gotten paranoid. It's terrible when you

feel like you have to fact check everything because it's so crazy out there.

[brooklynite]

172. A reminder of the physics of a commuter train

This was on a long, straight, flat piece of track where the engineer could see ahead but couldn't bring the train to a stop in time. Imagine what would happen in the dark.

[Effete Snob]

185. And bikes...

[CentralMass]

184. I until recently lived near near two commuter rail stops out near Portland Oregon.

Over the first 3 or 4 years there were at least 4 or 5 bincidents of people being hit by the train. It is called the Max line.. Oe guy was a young guy in his 20'jiggigging with headphones. I used to jog on the sane road. There is a crossing with gates on both sides of the urban 4 lane road. He waited for the train to go by and started across before the gates were up and git struck by the train coming in the opposite direction on the other track.. I jogged by a little memorial everyday after tgat.. There was another young girl hit at the stop/crossing around the corner from there.. she was badly injured and lost a leg but survived. She also hand earbuds or headphones on. She sued the transit authority frr 2 or 3 million ans it forced them to put gates on the side walks. But frankly it is sheer stupidity and carelessness on the people being hit. The are closed traffic gates across the road, flashinre light , dinging bell and signs. I'm old,, half death and sometimes wear headphones and even I can see,, hear,, feel the trains and obey the warnings.

[SmallFry]

192. We often find that the most simple of explanations is what happened during these tragedies.

Then we don't believe them because the make too much sense.

I'll leave this hear. Ear buds worn at the wrong time, which is often our favorite time to wear them, can be deadly.

[Skittles]

206. he played chicken with a train

fucking stupid

[Effete Snob]

207. Has more information been released?

How do you know that?

Can you provide a link to whatever is your source of information on that?

My guess would be that he encountered a common problem with wet railroad crossings, fell, and was either injured or could not get up in time. A secondary guess would be that a car clipped him and left him there.

But you seem to have other information. Could you post a link to whatever that source might be?

[RAB910]

208. He is a member of the Montclair social club

based on the time and its location, I am guessing he had a few beers and biked home. Unfortunately drinking and biking can be just as dangerous when active RR tracks are involved