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BOLIVAR, Tenn. A Bolivar Dominos was closed Thursday, hours after police say an armed robber was shot and killed by a store employee.
Bolivar Police said two men tried to hold up the restaurant on South Porter Street just before midnight.
They said one of the robbers came through the back door of the business and pointed a gun at the employees and one of the employees pulled out his own gun and opened fire.
28-year-old Jahquille Kodarius Dubose was pronounced dead on the scene. The other robber was seen running from the scene.
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What are your thoughts on this? I know it's a week old, but I hadn't heard about it until last night. The deceased's Facebook is here. I have mixed feeling on this, as I wasn't there.

BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Celerity
(52,669 posts)Zero fucks to give.
Straw Man
(6,909 posts)If somebody points a gun at me in a robbery, I have to believe that they would use it. Otherwise I would just tell them "Fuck off -- I'm keeping my money."
It stands to reason, then, that it probably isn't a good idea to wait around to see what their criteria for using it might be. Will they spare me if I comply? Maybe, but maybe not. So if I'm armed and have a chance to shoot back, it makes sense to take that chance.
Never entrust your future to the good will of the person who is robbing you at gunpoint.
raccoon
(32,092 posts)Browns Chicken Massacre If youre not familiar with it.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)DanieRains
(4,619 posts)After that.
I know he would use it too.
MissMillie
(39,474 posts)I worked part-time for a pizza restaurant. The owner told me that long before I started working there, they got a call for delivery and the caller said he only had a $100 bill, so the driver would need to bring change.
Well, the caller didn't live at the address given for delivery, but he was there and robbed the driver. Took the pizza and the cash.
After that, any customer who suggested the driver carry that kind of "change" was told that drivers don't carry that kind of cash. Customer needed to use a credit/debit card number instead, or had to come pick up his/her order.
Busterscruggs
(448 posts)Everyone would still be alive, just saying...
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)Busterscruggs
(448 posts)As a reason for self defense, yet here we are again with another story of gun related violence. The robber wouldn't have felt empowered to rob a story if he didn't have it and a store clerk wouldn't have to live with the tortured guilt of having killed another young black man. None of this would have happened without these senseless tools of death.
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)Busterscruggs
(448 posts)Is a killing tool, no matter who carries it. I doubt the robber had any intent to become a murderer too. Just let him take the stuff, insurance covers it, get on with your day
Jedi Guy
(3,389 posts)You can't know that, and neither could the employees inside the store. There have been robberies in the past where employees were told they wouldn't be harmed if they cooperated, only for the robber to execute them so as to avoid leaving witnesses. As Straw Man pointed out, it's generally unwise to entrust your future to the goodwill of someone robbing you at gunpoint.
Polybius
(21,016 posts)He was the definition of a thug. All of his friends that expressed their condolences are hardcore too. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's killed many times before.
11 Bravo
(24,218 posts)Friendly hint: Don't hold your breath.
Withywindle
(9,989 posts)I don't think anyone should wait around to determine if he "meant it" or not. Armed robbers do kill sometimes, and in that situation, the victim can't read minds and shouldn't have to try.
If someone is pointing a gun at you, you should assume that they are willing to kill you and act accordingly.
Amishman
(5,901 posts)unarmed victims can suffer harm or die in robberies, even when they cooperate.
Remove both guns and there still could have been harm or death, as robbery victims do get attacked and beaten by 'unarmed' robbers.
In an armed and violent society, being prepared to defend one's self is prudent when working in a high risk occupation or area.
I will add that mace or a taser is a better choice for many to defend themselves. Though I would not want to face a gunman with those options (or at all), so I do understand the mentality of being prepared to meet this scenario on equal terms.
Jedi Guy
(3,389 posts)Both probes have to make contact with skin for it to work, and this is the time of year when people are wearing thick coats/jackets/sweaters. The odds of a probe hitting skin through thick clothing aren't great, and in some instances the Taser fails to work even when the probes make contact. When I worked for a police department, an officer I was friends with tried to tase a guy who wasn't wearing a shirt. Both probes hit, but nothing happened.
That being the case, if forced to choose between a Taser and mace/bear spray/OC, I'd go with the latter.
Polybius
(21,016 posts)The one that the deceased had.
Polybius
(21,016 posts)The one that the deceased had.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)
then they might as well say no self defense with a gun is acceptable in your mind. There was a poster here many many years ago, Iverglas, who hated self defense with a gun so much, she was against a person in a wheelchair using a gun to defend themselves from an attack (a news story of exactly that).
So if you (not the op) dont find this shooting justifiable, then admit you dont find any self defense justifiable if the victim used a gun.
multigraincracker
(36,562 posts)He has to live with it, not the robber.
Walleye
(42,900 posts)madville
(7,829 posts)Do those storefronts even have much cash on hand these days? I would guess the bulk of their transactions are with online or with cards/smart phones.
That will be one benefit when stores go cashless, makes robberies less likely except places where the merchandise itself is high value. Doubt anyone would be holding up a Dominos with a gun just to get a few pizzas.
Raine
(30,975 posts)a violent death, good for the employee. 👍
Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)one of the few times a gun has helped during a bad situation.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Investigation by the Bolivar Police Department resulted in warrants being issued for Paricas Antwone Brown, 32, of Bolivar, Seqouyia Shante Fentress, 22, of Bolivar, and Edreckus Darnell Sain, 26, of Bolivar. According to the narrative, Brown entered Dominos with Dubose, while Fentress and Sain drove the pair to Dominos in a borrowed car.
All three are to be charged with Attempted Aggravated Robbery.
https://www.bulletintimesnews.com/latest-news/break-stopped-bullet
sir pball
(5,165 posts)These fuckin' punks are likely gonna be in a whole different galaxy of shit than mere aggravated robbery charges.
North Shore Chicago
(4,199 posts)textbook self defense!
Jedi Guy
(3,389 posts)It's a terrible thing to lose a loved one regardless of how it happened, particularly this close to the holidays. Hopefully, however, they don't go on a crusade against the employee for engaging in self-defense in response to the threat Mr. Dubose presented.
That said, Mr. Dubose's death is the result of his own actions and choices. We don't and can't know whether he would have injured or killed someone in the course of the robbery, so I have no problem with the store employee defending him/herself and fellow employees. Had Mr. Dubose chosen to stay home with his family, he'd still be drawing breath. As Celerity said, he fucked around and found out.
MissMillie
(39,474 posts)Shooting someone can be pretty traumatic--even when it's justified.
I don't think there should be any legal consequences for the employee.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/04/07/three-employees-of-ne-tavern-slain-during-apparent-robbery/3abd002f-4812-469f-bb40-0d45edf67a15/
Having worked in places like this in the past I can sympathize with the employee. As soon as they enter with guns to rob absolute fear would have hit. One misunderstanding or flinch and it is over. He (or she) may get in some trouble over the store policy or legality/origination of the gun but I'd rather be alive than a good employee.
Jedi Guy
(3,389 posts)Silent3
(15,909 posts)As far as I'm concerned, once someone pulls a gun on you in a threatening way, and is not doing so to uphold the law but to break it, they've lost their right to expect to survive such the encounter.