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Archae

(47,245 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:46 AM Dec 2020

Just learned a new term I've never heard of before, anywhere.

"Transmasculine"

It's someone who is born female but goes trans into male.

Who the heck made this term up?

https://www.mediamatters.org/abc/watch-these-four-media-stories-about-incredible-transmasculine-people-2020

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Just learned a new term I've never heard of before, anywhere. (Original Post) Archae Dec 2020 OP
i learned 'transpecies' the other day!..life is getting way too complicated... samnsara Dec 2020 #1
Where do I apply? Hugin Dec 2020 #5
There seems to be an obsession PatSeg Dec 2020 #36
It's another word for being furry I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2020 #41
I don't think it is crazy PatSeg Dec 2020 #55
The tag is for self identification I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2020 #42
The problem with labels PatSeg Dec 2020 #54
I know I am far more complex than any label..The labels are kind of a shorthand way of putting I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2020 #66
Is that from the South Park episode where Kyle's dad gets changed into a dolphin? Towlie Dec 2020 #45
Who are we to question those for whom this term applies? Cirque du So-What Dec 2020 #2
I can't keep up. Be whatever you are, let me know when you meet me and we'll go with that. Squinch Dec 2020 #3
Agreed. Miigwech Dec 2020 #7
Why does it bother you so much? RandiFan1290 Dec 2020 #4
It doesn't, I just never heard of it before. Archae Dec 2020 #6
From the article, couple for you.. irisblue Dec 2020 #11
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #13
2014 academic citation and abstract irisblue Dec 2020 #15
I'll be darned, it has been used before. Archae Dec 2020 #17
you wrote "Who the heck made this term up?" Voltaire2 Dec 2020 #30
As long as people like my nephew use it to describe their gender identity I doubt Autumn Dec 2020 #40
While, I had not heard the term before, it makes a kind of sense. Eugene Dec 2020 #8
Agreed sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #37
"Who the heck made this term up?" Probably someone who needed it. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #9
Dictionary.com has a definition. After a short search found a 2014 citation and abstract irisblue Dec 2020 #12
Yes, I know what it means. It's good to have words that describe what people know about themselves. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #14
I know you got it, but I thought it should be in this thread irisblue Dec 2020 #16
Fair enough! WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #25
Only issue is, unlike "transwomen", "transmasculine" is an adjective, not whathehell Dec 2020 #56
Transfeminine as a word also exists. irisblue Dec 2020 #57
I never said either of them weren't "words".. whathehell Dec 2020 #59
Truly then, I am not understanding your post to me irisblue Dec 2020 #60
Okay whathehell Dec 2020 #62
I have a grandchild who is transsexual, born a biological male but identifying as female. CTyankee Dec 2020 #10
It has always been my thought MuseRider Dec 2020 #18
I do like when words allow expansion of consider_this Dec 2020 #19
Ms has been in use for decades for women csziggy Dec 2020 #21
your efforts underscore my point consider_this Dec 2020 #22
Most online forms have various forms of address csziggy Dec 2020 #27
I prefer no title Kali Dec 2020 #44
I use MS for online forms but not in daily life csziggy Dec 2020 #46
oh yeah that whole head-of-household BS Kali Dec 2020 #47
Same here, but the advice we got it was not worth arguing with the IRS csziggy Dec 2020 #48
oh yeah we get that all the time Kali Dec 2020 #49
I'm surprised you haven't heard it before fishwax Dec 2020 #20
Oooo, right up there with Latinx Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #23
I never heard of that one either. Archae Dec 2020 #24
Non-gendered term that replaces Latino/Latina nt sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #26
this op and many comments are just screaming 'boomer fail'. Voltaire2 Dec 2020 #31
As a speaker of Italian, which also has masculine and feminine Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #33
Despised by most latino people I know. Squinch Dec 2020 #38
It is divisive sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #39
I live in Arizona JonLP24 Dec 2020 #43
+1 Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2020 #52
Being older, I don't see the advantage of it. Maybe I'll just have some tequilx, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #61
Lolz Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #65
I can't figure that one out..LOL LeftInTX Dec 2020 #63
It's stupid Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #64
People it describes. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #28
probably people who were born female and transitioned to male? Voltaire2 Dec 2020 #29
We should care what terminology transpeople use sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #32
oh sure, I meant why the upset? Voltaire2 Dec 2020 #34
Fair enough nt sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #35
Language is fluid mucifer Dec 2020 #50
Why can't people just be people. Growing up in Roxbury MA, we never identified a person marie999 Dec 2020 #51
All words are made up. 🤷🏼‍♀️ nolabear Dec 2020 #53
"Pan-sexual" from Schitt Creek. kentuck Dec 2020 #58

Hugin

(36,918 posts)
5. Where do I apply?
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:55 AM
Dec 2020

There's no way I share any speciation with this cliff bound clown car called homo sapiens sapiens.

PatSeg

(51,047 posts)
36. There seems to be an obsession
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:43 PM
Dec 2020

with putting a tag on everyone these days. It is like people have to fit into some kind of category instead of being viewed as individuals. Why do we have to identify everyone as part of a particular group? Can't they just be Sue or Joe, my friend or relative or co-worker?

That said, I cannot begin to imagine what "transpecies" is suppose to mean and don't think I care to know.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,275 posts)
41. It's another word for being furry
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 06:32 PM
Dec 2020

I'm furry and my dream is to get body modifications to look feline ( think stalking cat). I want to change my legal first name to Panther. I am also transgender had surgery to remove female body parts and my gender is no gender/ shifts between male/ less male/both and neither.

You might think it's crazy but again you are not me. You have no clue how I feel about it.

I just want to resolve the conflicts in my body and identity.

PatSeg

(51,047 posts)
55. I don't think it is crazy
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:58 AM
Dec 2020

Actually, that is quite fascinating and I learned something new. I don't think any particular tag or tags could begin to capture who you are. It is like trying to put bumper stickers on human beings.

PatSeg

(51,047 posts)
54. The problem with labels
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:52 AM
Dec 2020

is they limit a person, even if they are self identifying. People tend to be far more than any one given label. People are incredibly complex. Once you put a person into a particular category, it can cloud other aspects of their personality. This in turn can lead to discrimination, as others are not seeing the entire person, just the category.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,275 posts)
66. I know I am far more complex than any label..The labels are kind of a shorthand way of putting
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 06:37 PM
Dec 2020

a handle on aspects of identity

Towlie

(5,551 posts)
45. Is that from the South Park episode where Kyle's dad gets changed into a dolphin?
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 08:35 PM
Dec 2020

 

Cirque du So-What

(29,108 posts)
2. Who are we to question those for whom this term applies?
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:52 AM
Dec 2020

Your post stinks of prurient interest.

Squinch

(57,357 posts)
3. I can't keep up. Be whatever you are, let me know when you meet me and we'll go with that.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:54 AM
Dec 2020
 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
6. It doesn't, I just never heard of it before.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:58 AM
Dec 2020

Ok, a woman decides to go trans into male.

No problem there for me.

It just seems some people make up new words at the drop of a hat, to put into the media.

irisblue

(36,116 posts)
11. From the article, couple for you..
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:12 AM
Dec 2020

snip-"Though accurate and respectful media coverage of the trans community has notably increased over the past decade, transmasculine people are too often excluded from broader cultural and journalistic narratives about the trans experience."


snip-"After actor Elliot Page came out as trans and nonbinary, GLAAD national spokesperson Tiq Milan remarked on ABC’s Nightline, “There's definitely invisibility when we talk about trans people, particularly trans men, particularly when we're talking about representation in media.”


snip-"...So much of the violence that is happening in trans communities is happening to trans women, particularly trans women of color. And this is because of not just transphobia or misplaced homophobia, but also because of sexism, and misogyny, and racism that's just creating like this powder keg for trans women."


snip-"...He noted the need for trans legal representation, saying, “If there are no trans lawyers, there's oftentimes no trans people participating in a dialogue about whether and how trans people should exist.”.


Archae, you use American English and know our language is always evolving.


From my chair, you're looking somewhat bigoted and sniggery in this.

Response to irisblue (Reply #11)

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
17. I'll be darned, it has been used before.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:25 AM
Dec 2020

I just never saw or heard it, anywhere.

Learn something new every day.

Now what should we call republicans who have quit the GOP over Trump, and gone Independent or even Democrat?

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
30. you wrote "Who the heck made this term up?"
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:29 PM
Dec 2020

and from that statement your readers might just infer a bit of transphobia.

Autumn

(48,423 posts)
40. As long as people like my nephew use it to describe their gender identity I doubt
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 01:34 PM
Dec 2020

the use of the word Transmasculine will fade away. It's not a fad.

Eugene

(66,445 posts)
8. While, I had not heard the term before, it makes a kind of sense.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:59 AM
Dec 2020

It has long been stated that sexual orientation exists on a continuum. Gender identity can also be on a non-binary continuum too.

The term is not without controversy, but the same applies to non-binary in general. Female born and more the male side of the spectrum, but not a transman.

sweetloukillbot

(12,743 posts)
37. Agreed
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:44 PM
Dec 2020

I've known the terms transwoman and transman for a while, but not transmasculine and transfeminine. They make sense.

irisblue

(36,116 posts)
12. Dictionary.com has a definition. After a short search found a 2014 citation and abstract
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:16 AM
Dec 2020

adjective
noting or relating to a person who was assigned female at birth but whose gender identity is more male than female.


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1460-6984.12121

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,764 posts)
14. Yes, I know what it means. It's good to have words that describe what people know about themselves.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:18 AM
Dec 2020

whathehell

(30,274 posts)
56. Only issue is, unlike "transwomen", "transmasculine" is an adjective, not
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:07 AM
Dec 2020

a noun. -- I'm just wondering why, If males in this circumstance are described as "transwomen", females aren't described as "transmen"?..Seems simple to me.

irisblue

(36,116 posts)
57. Transfeminine as a word also exists.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:18 AM
Dec 2020

adjective
noting or relating to a person who was assigned male at birth but whose gender identity is more female than male.

Dictionary.com


whathehell

(30,274 posts)
59. I never said either of them weren't "words"..
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:34 AM
Dec 2020

I said, and will say again, that neither of them are nouns like, say, "transman"" or "transwomwn".

irisblue

(36,116 posts)
60. Truly then, I am not understanding your post to me
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:46 AM
Dec 2020

Possibly we could discuss this via DU mail?

CTyankee

(67,134 posts)
10. I have a grandchild who is transsexual, born a biological male but identifying as female.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:07 AM
Dec 2020

She changed her name from a male to a female name (she chose the name of a beloved aunt who died right before she was born and would have been named after her if she had been born biologically female). She is lucky to live in Los Angeles and have a mother who is a costume manager at a major studio there.

This is our family's experience so far.

MuseRider

(34,971 posts)
18. It has always been my thought
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:29 AM
Dec 2020

that we let people call themselves what they want or need to call themselves. I think we can all keep track if we try.

consider_this

(2,844 posts)
19. I do like when words allow expansion of
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:34 AM
Dec 2020

our understanding and or definitions of people, things, and our world.
this is a good example.

I detest when words exist that, by their very nature, limit or confine.

case it point - why is it men are referred to as Mr., yet women are referred to as Miss or Mrs.?! - By these labels, women are being defined by whether they are the possession (I can't find the right word, but this is close) of a man.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
21. Ms has been in use for decades for women
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020

I fit it perfectly and use it as my designated form of formal address.

I am not a "Miss" since I am married. But I do not use my husband's surname so I am not a "Mrs." It is a battle I have waged since I married in 1977. I will NOT answer to "Mrs. Male Csziggy" because that is not me. I even had this disagreement with the IRS and the Social Security Administration.

Here in the South "Miz" has been a form of address for any woman whether their married status is known or unknown so the transition to "Ms" may be more common than in other parts of the country.

Once in a while I get a negative response to it - most often when I address a woman as Ms. Whatever. Mostly it is married women who want to have that status recognized, but unless they introduce themselves as Mrs. Male Surname I will assume they are not attached to a male and use the indeterminate "Ms."

consider_this

(2,844 posts)
22. your efforts underscore my point
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:55 AM
Dec 2020

Why do you even have to choose Ms. Miss or Mrs.
Why are the terms there to define women's marital status, but no such corollary for men.
Why is it important in the language to label women's status just by their title, but not for men. Garbage.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
27. Most online forms have various forms of address
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:26 PM
Dec 2020

Mr., Dr., Ms, Mrs, Miss, etc. At least now they do include Ms - that is an advance. Yeah, it would be nice if none of the forms were determinate as to marital status but I would not advocate that men have the limitations that women do, just that women accept one form that is indeterminate.

That's why I like the Southern "Miz" - when it was used extensively, it included all women without determining their marital status. But it was also associated with slavery and black oppression which I believe is why "Ms" (pronounced "miz&quot was introduced.

Kali

(56,482 posts)
44. I prefer no title
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 08:28 PM
Dec 2020

it is irritating when forms won't allow the option of NO option. None of most people's (or companies'/organizations') business.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
46. I use MS for online forms but not in daily life
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 08:54 PM
Dec 2020

I think it is a style of business courtesy to use a title for customers - even when the salespeople call us by our first names even when we've asked them not to.

For some reason I get called "Miz firstname" by all sorts of people, usually those younger than me who I've asked to just call me by my first name. Even when I have told people that I don't use my husband's surname, they often call me Mrs. mysurname. And of course, my husband gets called Mr. mysurname very often.

The part that really pisses me off is companies that decide that a woman MUST use her husband's surname or those who translate a married woman to being secondary to their husband.

The IRS started it - well maybe our first accountant did it. Since I had the main income I listed myself first on the documents. But the accountant switched our name because of "male must be head of household" - but the idiot did NOT switch the Social Security numbers. So we got a letter from the IRS saying our Socials were wrong. I wrote back and explained the mix up, no problem, or so I thought. Then I get a letter from Social Security asking why I didn't notify them of my name change. I wrote them a testy letter telling them I did NOT change my name and that the IRS format on their forms (first name of head of household, full name of spouse, last name of head of household) screwed up. I've had no problem with the Social Security offices since.

When we changed accountants we had no trouble with him but his asshole bookkeeper couldn't handle it. Every single piece of correspondence was addressed to Mrs. myhusbandlastname until I raised Cain with her boss. The last time I ever had any interaction with her, she called and tried to talk me into selling Avon. She looked sort of like that woman from The Office while I do not and never have worn makeup. Why the hell would she think I might even consider selling that crap? I called her boss and told him what she had done. He made sure she was no longer on my paperwork. She did work at his office until he retired, but a different person took care of me until then.

I've been through pretty much every iteration of trying to assign a woman to secondary status to a man. I chose my battles carefully now. But as my husband says, don't get me angry, I will pin my grudge on the wall and throw knives at it.

I think that whole mess was why the IRS audited us four years in a row.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
48. Same here, but the advice we got it was not worth arguing with the IRS
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 09:52 PM
Dec 2020

They are worse about grudges than I am.

I still have the main income, ran the main business we had for the most years, and do all the bookkeeping (with Quicken now). Now I kinda love when idiots call and want to talk to my husband rather than me. He seldom has the answers to their questions so has to turn them back over to me. If it is not essential and I am in a bad mood, I just tell them, "You didn't want to talk to me" and hang up.

I'm at the age where I just don't give a shit anymore.

fishwax

(29,343 posts)
20. I'm surprised you haven't heard it before
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 11:37 AM
Dec 2020

It, like transfeminine, is an adjectival construction of nouns (trans-male, trans-woman) that you might be more familiar with.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
23. Oooo, right up there with Latinx
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:03 PM
Dec 2020

For the record I live in the Southwest with a large Hispanic population. Most of my friends go back to the original land grants in the 1500’s. They all roll their eyes and snicker at that term.

sweetloukillbot

(12,743 posts)
26. Non-gendered term that replaces Latino/Latina nt
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:26 PM
Dec 2020

I've heard arguments in both directions for and against it. It seems like a lot of older generation don't like it.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
31. this op and many comments are just screaming 'boomer fail'.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:33 PM
Dec 2020

And as a boomer, I accept that we as a generation, a generation that gave the world Bush-II and Trump, unbridled greed, mass delusional ignorance, and a global society headed directly at civilizational collapse from climate catastrophe and the aforementioned mass delusional ignorance, should take on that blame.

We own it. We did this.

Sorry, somewhat off topic.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
33. As a speaker of Italian, which also has masculine and feminine
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:38 PM
Dec 2020

It’s something a lot of native speakers find offensive. My other language is BASED on both masculine and feminine nouns.

In Italy, you notice many of the young people just default to the masculine form as a more or less gender neutral language. No one is replacing an a, e or o, I with an x

sweetloukillbot

(12,743 posts)
39. It is divisive
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:56 PM
Dec 2020

But the worst I've heard from a friend was, "I don't understand the term, but whatever."

JonLP24

(29,742 posts)
43. I live in Arizona
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 06:41 PM
Dec 2020

It isn't close to the most divisive term I heard for Mexican - Americans especially when it comes from Republicans.

I won't repeat those terms.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,382 posts)
61. Being older, I don't see the advantage of it. Maybe I'll just have some tequilx, ...
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:49 AM
Dec 2020

... with my enchiladx.

Feliz anx nuevx.



LeftInTX

(34,006 posts)
63. I can't figure that one out..LOL
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 01:10 PM
Dec 2020

I think some Hipsters were sitting around and thought that one up....

A few activists like it, but most everyone else finds it an annoying corruption of Spanish...

Hubby goes, "What is this?"

I just hope no Democratic campaign lit had Latinx on it.....

Ms. Toad

(37,774 posts)
28. People it describes.
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:27 PM
Dec 2020

It is a broader category that includes a variety of gender expression than completely switching to presentation as a male (although it would include the more specific switch to identifying as male) .

Not everyone who does not feel at home in the gender assigned at birth feels at home as the"opposite" gender either. They may feel more comfortable with a masculine presentation/expression, without identifying as male.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
29. probably people who were born female and transitioned to male?
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:27 PM
Dec 2020

Also why do you care what terminology transgendered people use?

sweetloukillbot

(12,743 posts)
32. We should care what terminology transpeople use
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 12:37 PM
Dec 2020

Because it is respectful to use their preferred terms. I have a non-binary friend who uses "they/them." It took a little getting used to, but that's how I address them. And they knew that when I mistakenly misgendered them, that it wasn't maliciously and graciously corrected me.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
51. Why can't people just be people. Growing up in Roxbury MA, we never identified a person
Mon Dec 28, 2020, 10:15 PM
Dec 2020

except by name and maybe by a relative. Like I met Bob, Mary's husband, in the grocery store. My parents would never say to someone, Marie's best friend is JoAnn, the Negro girl that lives across the street. In fact, I never heard the word Negro at all by anyone.

nolabear

(43,819 posts)
53. All words are made up. 🤷🏼‍♀️
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 12:01 AM
Dec 2020

Actually, for some reason I’ve become fascinated lately with how remarkably smart we humans are to be able to communicate an ever growing, complex series of concepts by blowing air and manipulating our larynx, tongue, mouth, nasal passages, and probably a few other things I haven’t thought of.

As to transmasculine, seems fairly elegant.

kentuck

(114,738 posts)
58. "Pan-sexual" from Schitt Creek.
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:22 AM
Dec 2020

The father said David loved men and he loved women and he loved men who became women and he loved women who became men. He was a "pan-sexual". He just loved people.

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