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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust learned a new term I've never heard of before, anywhere.
"Transmasculine"
It's someone who is born female but goes trans into male.
Who the heck made this term up?
https://www.mediamatters.org/abc/watch-these-four-media-stories-about-incredible-transmasculine-people-2020

samnsara
(18,637 posts)Hugin
(36,918 posts)There's no way I share any speciation with this cliff bound clown car called homo sapiens sapiens.
PatSeg
(51,047 posts)with putting a tag on everyone these days. It is like people have to fit into some kind of category instead of being viewed as individuals. Why do we have to identify everyone as part of a particular group? Can't they just be Sue or Joe, my friend or relative or co-worker?
That said, I cannot begin to imagine what "transpecies" is suppose to mean and don't think I care to know.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,275 posts)I'm furry and my dream is to get body modifications to look feline ( think stalking cat). I want to change my legal first name to Panther. I am also transgender had surgery to remove female body parts and my gender is no gender/ shifts between male/ less male/both and neither.
You might think it's crazy but again you are not me. You have no clue how I feel about it.
I just want to resolve the conflicts in my body and identity.
PatSeg
(51,047 posts)Actually, that is quite fascinating and I learned something new. I don't think any particular tag or tags could begin to capture who you are. It is like trying to put bumper stickers on human beings.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,275 posts)Other people trying to label you is wrong.
PatSeg
(51,047 posts)is they limit a person, even if they are self identifying. People tend to be far more than any one given label. People are incredibly complex. Once you put a person into a particular category, it can cloud other aspects of their personality. This in turn can lead to discrimination, as others are not seeing the entire person, just the category.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,275 posts)a handle on aspects of identity
Towlie
(5,551 posts)
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Cirque du So-What
(29,108 posts)Your post stinks of prurient interest.
Squinch
(57,357 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,620 posts)Will it affect your life?
Archae
(47,245 posts)Ok, a woman decides to go trans into male.
No problem there for me.
It just seems some people make up new words at the drop of a hat, to put into the media.
irisblue
(36,116 posts)snip-"Though accurate and respectful media coverage of the trans community has notably increased over the past decade, transmasculine people are too often excluded from broader cultural and journalistic narratives about the trans experience."
snip-"After actor Elliot Page came out as trans and nonbinary, GLAAD national spokesperson Tiq Milan remarked on ABCs Nightline, There's definitely invisibility when we talk about trans people, particularly trans men, particularly when we're talking about representation in media.
snip-"...So much of the violence that is happening in trans communities is happening to trans women, particularly trans women of color. And this is because of not just transphobia or misplaced homophobia, but also because of sexism, and misogyny, and racism that's just creating like this powder keg for trans women."
snip-"...He noted the need for trans legal representation, saying, If there are no trans lawyers, there's oftentimes no trans people participating in a dialogue about whether and how trans people should exist..
Archae, you use American English and know our language is always evolving.
From my chair, you're looking somewhat bigoted and sniggery in this.
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irisblue
(36,116 posts)Archae
(47,245 posts)I just never saw or heard it, anywhere.
Learn something new every day.
Now what should we call republicans who have quit the GOP over Trump, and gone Independent or even Democrat?
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)and from that statement your readers might just infer a bit of transphobia.
Autumn
(48,423 posts)the use of the word Transmasculine will fade away. It's not a fad.
Eugene
(66,445 posts)It has long been stated that sexual orientation exists on a continuum. Gender identity can also be on a non-binary continuum too.
The term is not without controversy, but the same applies to non-binary in general. Female born and more the male side of the spectrum, but not a transman.
sweetloukillbot
(12,743 posts)I've known the terms transwoman and transman for a while, but not transmasculine and transfeminine. They make sense.
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,764 posts)irisblue
(36,116 posts)adjective
noting or relating to a person who was assigned female at birth but whose gender identity is more male than female.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1460-6984.12121
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,764 posts)irisblue
(36,116 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(25,764 posts)whathehell
(30,274 posts)a noun. -- I'm just wondering why, If males in this circumstance are described as "transwomen", females aren't described as "transmen"?..Seems simple to me.
irisblue
(36,116 posts)adjective
noting or relating to a person who was assigned male at birth but whose gender identity is more female than male.
Dictionary.com
whathehell
(30,274 posts)I said, and will say again, that neither of them are nouns like, say, "transman"" or "transwomwn".
irisblue
(36,116 posts)Possibly we could discuss this via DU mail?
whathehell
(30,274 posts)I'll send you a pm later today...Just have to go out now for a few hours.
CTyankee
(67,134 posts)She changed her name from a male to a female name (she chose the name of a beloved aunt who died right before she was born and would have been named after her if she had been born biologically female). She is lucky to live in Los Angeles and have a mother who is a costume manager at a major studio there.
This is our family's experience so far.
MuseRider
(34,971 posts)that we let people call themselves what they want or need to call themselves. I think we can all keep track if we try.
consider_this
(2,844 posts)our understanding and or definitions of people, things, and our world.
this is a good example.
I detest when words exist that, by their very nature, limit or confine.
case it point - why is it men are referred to as Mr., yet women are referred to as Miss or Mrs.?! - By these labels, women are being defined by whether they are the possession (I can't find the right word, but this is close) of a man.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)I fit it perfectly and use it as my designated form of formal address.
I am not a "Miss" since I am married. But I do not use my husband's surname so I am not a "Mrs." It is a battle I have waged since I married in 1977. I will NOT answer to "Mrs. Male Csziggy" because that is not me. I even had this disagreement with the IRS and the Social Security Administration.
Here in the South "Miz" has been a form of address for any woman whether their married status is known or unknown so the transition to "Ms" may be more common than in other parts of the country.
Once in a while I get a negative response to it - most often when I address a woman as Ms. Whatever. Mostly it is married women who want to have that status recognized, but unless they introduce themselves as Mrs. Male Surname I will assume they are not attached to a male and use the indeterminate "Ms."
consider_this
(2,844 posts)Why do you even have to choose Ms. Miss or Mrs.
Why are the terms there to define women's marital status, but no such corollary for men.
Why is it important in the language to label women's status just by their title, but not for men. Garbage.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)Mr., Dr., Ms, Mrs, Miss, etc. At least now they do include Ms - that is an advance. Yeah, it would be nice if none of the forms were determinate as to marital status but I would not advocate that men have the limitations that women do, just that women accept one form that is indeterminate.
That's why I like the Southern "Miz" - when it was used extensively, it included all women without determining their marital status. But it was also associated with slavery and black oppression which I believe is why "Ms" (pronounced "miz" was introduced.
Kali
(56,482 posts)it is irritating when forms won't allow the option of NO option. None of most people's (or companies'/organizations') business.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)I think it is a style of business courtesy to use a title for customers - even when the salespeople call us by our first names even when we've asked them not to.
For some reason I get called "Miz firstname" by all sorts of people, usually those younger than me who I've asked to just call me by my first name. Even when I have told people that I don't use my husband's surname, they often call me Mrs. mysurname. And of course, my husband gets called Mr. mysurname very often.
The part that really pisses me off is companies that decide that a woman MUST use her husband's surname or those who translate a married woman to being secondary to their husband.
The IRS started it - well maybe our first accountant did it. Since I had the main income I listed myself first on the documents. But the accountant switched our name because of "male must be head of household" - but the idiot did NOT switch the Social Security numbers. So we got a letter from the IRS saying our Socials were wrong. I wrote back and explained the mix up, no problem, or so I thought. Then I get a letter from Social Security asking why I didn't notify them of my name change. I wrote them a testy letter telling them I did NOT change my name and that the IRS format on their forms (first name of head of household, full name of spouse, last name of head of household) screwed up. I've had no problem with the Social Security offices since.
When we changed accountants we had no trouble with him but his asshole bookkeeper couldn't handle it. Every single piece of correspondence was addressed to Mrs. myhusbandlastname until I raised Cain with her boss. The last time I ever had any interaction with her, she called and tried to talk me into selling Avon. She looked sort of like that woman from The Office while I do not and never have worn makeup. Why the hell would she think I might even consider selling that crap? I called her boss and told him what she had done. He made sure she was no longer on my paperwork. She did work at his office until he retired, but a different person took care of me until then.
I've been through pretty much every iteration of trying to assign a woman to secondary status to a man. I chose my battles carefully now. But as my husband says, don't get me angry, I will pin my grudge on the wall and throw knives at it.
I think that whole mess was why the IRS audited us four years in a row.
Kali
(56,482 posts)I keep the books, that would be ME.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)They are worse about grudges than I am.
I still have the main income, ran the main business we had for the most years, and do all the bookkeeping (with Quicken now). Now I kinda love when idiots call and want to talk to my husband rather than me. He seldom has the answers to their questions so has to turn them back over to me. If it is not essential and I am in a bad mood, I just tell them, "You didn't want to talk to me" and hang up.
I'm at the age where I just don't give a shit anymore.
Kali
(56,482 posts)
fishwax
(29,343 posts)It, like transfeminine, is an adjectival construction of nouns (trans-male, trans-woman) that you might be more familiar with.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)For the record I live in the Southwest with a large Hispanic population. Most of my friends go back to the original land grants in the 1500s. They all roll their eyes and snicker at that term.
Archae
(47,245 posts)What is it?
sweetloukillbot
(12,743 posts)I've heard arguments in both directions for and against it. It seems like a lot of older generation don't like it.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)And as a boomer, I accept that we as a generation, a generation that gave the world Bush-II and Trump, unbridled greed, mass delusional ignorance, and a global society headed directly at civilizational collapse from climate catastrophe and the aforementioned mass delusional ignorance, should take on that blame.
We own it. We did this.
Sorry, somewhat off topic.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Its something a lot of native speakers find offensive. My other language is BASED on both masculine and feminine nouns.
In Italy, you notice many of the young people just default to the masculine form as a more or less gender neutral language. No one is replacing an a, e or o, I with an x
Squinch
(57,357 posts)sweetloukillbot
(12,743 posts)But the worst I've heard from a friend was, "I don't understand the term, but whatever."
JonLP24
(29,742 posts)It isn't close to the most divisive term I heard for Mexican - Americans especially when it comes from Republicans.
I won't repeat those terms.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,198 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,382 posts)... with my enchiladx.
Feliz anx nuevx.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Obviously a non-speaker came up with it
LeftInTX
(34,006 posts)I think some Hipsters were sitting around and thought that one up....
A few activists like it, but most everyone else finds it an annoying corruption of Spanish...
Hubby goes, "What is this?"
I just hope no Democratic campaign lit had Latinx on it.....
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)The kind of shit we get made fun of for, and we deserve it
Ms. Toad
(37,774 posts)It is a broader category that includes a variety of gender expression than completely switching to presentation as a male (although it would include the more specific switch to identifying as male) .
Not everyone who does not feel at home in the gender assigned at birth feels at home as the"opposite" gender either. They may feel more comfortable with a masculine presentation/expression, without identifying as male.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Also why do you care what terminology transgendered people use?
sweetloukillbot
(12,743 posts)Because it is respectful to use their preferred terms. I have a non-binary friend who uses "they/them." It took a little getting used to, but that's how I address them. And they knew that when I mistakenly misgendered them, that it wasn't maliciously and graciously corrected me.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)sweetloukillbot
(12,743 posts)mucifer
(25,343 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)except by name and maybe by a relative. Like I met Bob, Mary's husband, in the grocery store. My parents would never say to someone, Marie's best friend is JoAnn, the Negro girl that lives across the street. In fact, I never heard the word Negro at all by anyone.
nolabear
(43,819 posts)Actually, for some reason Ive become fascinated lately with how remarkably smart we humans are to be able to communicate an ever growing, complex series of concepts by blowing air and manipulating our larynx, tongue, mouth, nasal passages, and probably a few other things I havent thought of.
As to transmasculine, seems fairly elegant.
kentuck
(114,738 posts)The father said David loved men and he loved women and he loved men who became women and he loved women who became men. He was a "pan-sexual". He just loved people.