The Rude Pundit: No, Democrats Did Not Try to Get the 2016 Election Overturned

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One of the Big Lies in MAGA World: No, Democrats Did Not Try to Get the 2016 Election Overturned https://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2020/12/one-of-big-lies-in-maga-world-no.html…
5:08 PM · Dec 21, 2020

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It's one of many articles of bad faith in MAGA world, the fact-free zone of delusion and conspiracy that Donald Trump and his enablers, lackeys, lickspittles, and loser voters exist in. They believe that it's fine that Trump challenge the results of the secure and fair-ish (leaving aside all the ways that the GOP disenfranchised voters) 2020 election because, they insist, Democrats tried to overturn the 2016 election.

Sure, part of that comes from their basic misunderstanding of the constitutional impeachment vote (impeachment and removal wouldn't have given Hillary Clinton the presidency), but Trump has said repeatedly, most recently on December 2, that Democrats and "their four year effort to overturn the results of the 2016 election" and that Democrats "perpetrated one phony and fraudulent hoax after another. You’ve been watching it now for four years." For him, it all began right before the 2016 election, when allegations about Russian interference in favor of Trump were first raised. Rather than react as a normal fucking president and say, "Oh, shit, that's bad. We should investigate the fuck out of that," Trump immediately took it as an attack on his legitimacy when no one in any position of power was trying to change the outcome of the presidential race.

In fact, here's then-House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on November 17, 2016: "After winning the Presidency, the Electoral College, but losing the popular vote, I think that President elect Trump, that he has a responsibility to try to bring people together, not continue to fan the flame of division and bigotry. Later today, I'll meet with Vice President-elect Pence, and it is my hope that we can discuss areas where we can work together constructively. As we've always said, we always try – we have a responsibility to find common ground but to stand our ground when we can't." You see that? Pelosi didn't even wait for the certification. She didn't wait for the safe harbor date. She declared Trump the winner and talked about how to work with the incoming administration. Like a fucking normal human would.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was working so hard to overturn the election that he and other Democrats were looking for ways to negotiate with Trump: "Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, elected Wednesday as the new Democratic minority leader, has spoken with Mr. Trump several times, and Democrats in coming weeks plan to announce populist economic and ethics initiatives they think Mr. Trump might like." That's from November 16, 2016, with not a word about trying to get states to send alternate electors.

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[gratuitous]

1. We're going to be hearing this for the next four years at least

Might as well get used to refuting the nonsense and getting very conversant with those statements by Pelosi and Schumer.

[Johonny]

2. They think the impeachment and Russian investigation were about overturning the election

because that's how Trump's lawyers framed it for the stupid.

However, they always forget that Pence would have been president. But Trump fans aren't smart people. Never were.

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. To the MAGAts, failure to kneel before Trump is proof you're scheming to overturn his election

Vote against a cabinet appointment? That's trying to overturn his election. Vote against his stupid wall? That was an election promise, so you're trying to overturn his election. Impeach him for trying to force bogus investigations of Biden's son? That's trying to overturn his election. Etc.