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UCmeNdc

(9,654 posts)
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:16 PM Dec 2020

Widespread shock as emails reveal Trump appointee's 'monstrous' call to spread COVID-19 in America

According to a new report from POLITICO, a former top Trump appointee urged for health officials to adopt a “herd immunity” approach to the coronavirus pandemic, allowing for millions of people to be infected.

“There is no other way, we need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high risk groups expose themselves to the virus. PERIOD,” then-science adviser Paul Alexander wrote on July 4 to his boss, Health and Human Services assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo, and six other senior officials.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/jail-them-widespread-shock-as-emails-reveal-trump-appointees-monstrous-call-to-spread-19-in-america/

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Widespread shock as emails reveal Trump appointee's 'monstrous' call to spread COVID-19 in America (Original Post) UCmeNdc Dec 2020 OP
Hope so. I thought it was shocking when his admin pushed the Hortensis Dec 2020 #1
And even that assumes there's a binary outcome GopherGal Dec 2020 #9
Yes! And the economic, emotional and social devastation Hortensis Dec 2020 #10
Ah, but they wouldn't be suffering from this economic devastation if we just fully opened up! GopherGal Dec 2020 #18
So Trump held his rallies to infect us Progressive dog Dec 2020 #2
College students: Lambs to the slaughter Larissa Dec 2020 #21
That's what Sweden tried central scrutinizer Dec 2020 #3
Shock? Not me, was rather obvious. Brainfodder Dec 2020 #4
Herd Immunity is another term for... lame54 Dec 2020 #5
with covid, it is another word for murder NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 #6
And people still want this monster as their president? Initech Dec 2020 #7
considering where we're at now ... stopdiggin Dec 2020 #8
Mission Accomplished. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #11
"call"? It was & is the policy; thus "Open Up America". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #12
more charges on the gop !!! monkeyman1 Dec 2020 #13
When is someone just going to come out and say it rolypolychloe Dec 2020 #14
we've failied miserably.... Locrian Dec 2020 #15
Who is going to be left to burrowowl Dec 2020 #16
Herd immunity is a very bad idea Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #17
Herd immunity is a very *good* idea GopherGal Dec 2020 #20
this, 1000 times! Nobody EVER called exposure to infection 'herd immunity' before this disastrous MadLinguist Dec 2020 #23
We've been watching this slow motion disaster LittleGirl Dec 2020 #19
306,363 Americans gone Larissa Dec 2020 #22

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. Hope so. I thought it was shocking when his admin pushed the
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:18 PM
Dec 2020

idea of going for herd immunity (with 1.5-3 million projected deaths) as we headed for the big second wave.

Shrugging at 2M deaths from this holocaust was monstrous all right, but so was blowing off the first 20,000 as nothing, just a cold, no worse than the annual flu. Monstrous!

GopherGal

(2,655 posts)
9. And even that assumes there's a binary outcome
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:46 PM
Dec 2020

of either "death" or "no lasting effect".

With a novel disease we've no way of knowing that the survivors will have the same duration and/or quality of life they would have had if they had not been infected. As time has passed and we've had more experience of the disease, it seems more and more that there are long-term effects for some people. It's not "2 million dead, 300 million had a bit of a mild flu for a couple weeks then went back to normal" It's "2 million dead, untold millions with long term effects including heart, lung and/or kidney damage".

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Yes! And the economic, emotional and social devastation
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:03 PM
Dec 2020

so many are suffering and may never fully recover from.

GopherGal

(2,655 posts)
18. Ah, but they wouldn't be suffering from this economic devastation if we just fully opened up!
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:04 PM
Dec 2020

The disease is less harmful than the "cure" of quarantine/lockdown/social distancing measures, you see. And even though the disease is "novel" and we know little about it, we're sure enough of that to bet the health of millions of people (including our school children) on it.


Progressive dog

(7,545 posts)
2. So Trump held his rallies to infect us
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:50 PM
Dec 2020

quicker. Trump thought he could kill the vulnerable quickly and run on the epedemic being over.

Larissa

(793 posts)
21. College students: Lambs to the slaughter
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:00 PM
Dec 2020

From the Politico scoop:

"Paul Alexander also argued that colleges should stay open to allow Covid-19 infections to spread, lamenting in a July 27 email to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield that 'we essentially took off the battlefield the most potent weapon we had . . . younger healthy people, children, teens, young people who we needed to fastly [sic] infect themselves, spread it around, develop immunity, and help stop the spread."

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
4. Shock? Not me, was rather obvious.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:01 PM
Dec 2020

Even had worse than worthless congress people spewing stupid shit like suggesting we go out to eat.

Mooo!



lame54

(38,658 posts)
5. Herd Immunity is another term for...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:06 PM
Dec 2020

Doing absolutely nothing

That's why the plan appealed to Trump

stopdiggin

(14,538 posts)
8. considering where we're at now ...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:42 PM
Dec 2020

and then add some (undefined) multiplier to the picture .....

Hey -- that's just -- great!
Making America Great Again
with dangerous ideologues.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
13. more charges on the gop !!!
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:38 PM
Dec 2020

negligent homicide = 300,000 against the gop !! trump =Leavenworth

rolypolychloe

(56 posts)
14. When is someone just going to come out and say it
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:53 PM
Dec 2020

At the behest of Putin, Trump and the complicit Republicans have launched a biological attack on the United States as devastating as any conventional war and way way cheaper. All they had to do was nothing.

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
15. we've failied miserably....
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:57 PM
Dec 2020

COVID as horrible as it is and continues to be is stunning on how many deaths have needlessly happened.
It scares me to think what the implications of climate change, etc are with our current inability to deal with this.

burrowowl

(18,451 posts)
16. Who is going to be left to
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:00 PM
Dec 2020

clean rich folks toilets, pick their food, deliver their goods, etc.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
17. Herd immunity is a very bad idea
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:03 PM
Dec 2020

when you don't even know if having the virus gives immunity, and if so, for how long.

GopherGal

(2,655 posts)
20. Herd immunity is a very *good* idea
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:26 PM
Dec 2020

if obtained via widespread administration of a verified safe, efficacious vaccine. (goodbye polio, small pox, measles, etc)

It's a very bad idea if the proposed means of reaching herd immunity is to expose a couple hundred million people to uncontrolled spread of a poorly understood disease which will kill at least 1% of them, may have as-yet-unknown long-term effects, and may or may not even confer any lasting immunity.

The Turd Reich's taking the good name of the approach used successfully to eliminate (or nearly so) some deadly diseases and applying it to their "let 'em all die for the stock market while we elites get our Walter Reed treatments" approach.

MadLinguist

(892 posts)
23. this, 1000 times! Nobody EVER called exposure to infection 'herd immunity' before this disastrous
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:49 PM
Dec 2020

year of anti-scientists trying to fake like they know anything about anything. Heretofore, herd immunity meant the critical proportion of a population that had been vaccinated being able to insure against wide-spread infection. This other meaning is downright Orwellian, and I hate it.

LittleGirl

(8,853 posts)
19. We've been watching this slow motion disaster
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:20 PM
Dec 2020

For Months over here in Europe!
We are watching in horror as nothing but sickness and death is being reported from the US.
The Wild West of “let them die.”

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